Please Delete This Thread

[carnivore]

the Concordant Killer might be best boosted like this:

Concordant Killer Warblade 2/Crusader 2/ Fighter 2/ Legendary Dreadnought 5

gives nice boost ... make sure you take Thick Skinned several times since the Concordant Killer already has DR 10/- ... it just gets better

as an Alternative .... you could try:

Concordant Killer Rogue 2/ Cleric 1/ Contemplative 2/ Void Incarnate 6

 

[kevin_video]

The thought of adding actual class levels hadn't occurred to me. I don't think I'll add that many since I want him to be CR 25 apparently. It seems 30 might be too high. I might push it though. Actually, I likely will. The main problem will be those damn feats. I've looked, and looked, and I just can't find any feats that I thought would be a valid idea. Actually, that's not true. I found two, but I don't know that I'll use them.

And that legendary tiger looks like it might pull itself off.

[ksbsnowowl]

The main problem will be those damn feats. I've looked, and looked, and I just can't find any feats that I thought would be a valid idea. Actually, that's not true. I found two, but I don't know that I'll use them.

What direction were you thinking with the feats?  What two were you thinking to incorporate?

[kevin_video]

Well Thick Skinned had been a consideration for an additional DR 2/-, but Combat Expertise, Combat Reflexes, Dodge, and Sense Weakness made sense to me as well. Especially since I'm kind of learning how my players optimize their characters. Although, I still don't think that's going to do anything against the diplomancer. But that's what the CR 23 Iron Golem's for.

[Littha]

Y'know there are epic golems you can use, you dont have to advance an iron one.

They have the added advantage of being completely immune to all magic and supernatural effects rather than just ones that allow spell resistance.

[kevin_video]

yknow there are epic golems you can use, you dont have to advance an iron one.

Yeah I'm going to have one of each of those too. But it's always nice to bring back a classic. It's like the butterfly. No one ever suspects it. Heh heh heh.

[carnivore]

heres another try


CR 24
Paragon 1/2 Fiend Hellcat
Large Outsider (Evil, Extraplanar, Lawful)

Str 42, Dex 40, Con 34, Int 29, Wis 29, Cha 27
8HD(64+96+96) 256Hp
Speed 120, Fly 120'(Average)
AC 56 (base 10 -1 Size +8 Natural +15 Dex +12 Insight +12 Luck)
Attack bonus +48 (BAB 8 +16 Str -1 size +25 Luck)
Full Attack: 2 claws +48 melee (1d8+36) and bite +43 melee (2d8+28)
Space/Reach: 10 ft./5 ft.
Special Attacks:
Improved grab
pounce
rake 2@+48, 1d8+28
 
Special Qualities:
Damage reduction 10/ EPIC and good
Darkvision 60 ft.
Scent
Immunity to poison.
Resistance to acid 10, cold 10, electricity 10, and fire 10.
Spell Resistance 49
Fast Healing 20
telepathy 100 ft.
 +10 insight bonus on all its saving throws.
+10 competence bonus on all its skill checks.
plus one bonus feat.
 
 
natural weapons, as well as any weapons it wields, are treated as evil-aligned and lawful-aligned an EPIC for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.

Invisible in Light (Ex): A hellcat is invisible in any area lit well enough for a human to see. In a darkened area, it shows up as a faintly glowing outline visible up to 30 feet away (60 feet if the viewer has low-light vision). Magical darkness smothers the glow and conceals the outline.

Skills: Hellcats have a +4 racial bonus on Listen and Move Silently checks.

Spell-Like Abilities: (Caster Level = 23rd)
Darkness 3/day
Desecrate
Unholy blight
Poison 3/day

Greater Dispel Magic, Haste, and See Invisibility 3/day @ 15th lvl caster


 

[kevin_video]

I've actually started reading over the paragon template in the ELH. That thing's nasty.

[carnivore]

[kevin_video]

lol Thanks for these. You don't have to worry about doing any more though. I'm asking for this thread to be deleted. I've stepped down from the epic encounters tournament since they're no longer going to be doing it, but instead it'll be a high level 4E campaign.

I'm not participating in building that. I might play, but that'll be it.

[skydragonknight]

Well, just for the record carnivore, you should have used half-celestial instead of half-dragon on the Megaraptor. Raptor Jesus.

[kevin_video]

Could always add both. 

[awaken DM golem]

Epic gets VERY VERY weird, and is usually far off the RNG. So EVERY challenge will have to be hand-tailored vs your players.

This.

[awaken DM golem]

Carnivore's build, with a single use Disguise Self item ... 
 

[spoiler][/spoiler]

[awaken DM golem]

The thought of adding actual class levels hadn't occurred to me. I don't think I'll add that many since I want him to be CR 25 apparently.

Non-Associated levels are (inverted) tricky.
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/improvingMonsters.htm#nonassociatedClassLevels

My favorite (stupid really !! ) use of this is:
Triceratops (+1 racial level) with Adept 16 ... which gets you Heighten to 9s + Epic Spells.
CR of 17 ... really (stupid !! )
 

Not that a Triceratops with Adept and Epic Spell trickery, would normally be able to figure out what it is doing.
It would be able to escape from T Rexs and 1/2 mile wide Meteorites, though.

[altpersona]

1. the tiger and the lion, oh my.

2. do not delete this thread, its one of my favorite threads ever. ( yes, i like threads titled 'please delete this thread' )

3. need the paragon bear build to complement the lion and tiger.