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Re: the Grizzly Swarn
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2010, 11:54:17 AM »
The Spelunker needs to be adapted so you can have bears within bears.

Source for the Spelunker, so that I may try if this whole thing is actually adaptable?  ;)

EDIT: Considering so far we've got shrunken black bears riding shrunken grizzly bears riding grizzly bears riding animal growth-ed grizzly bears... how about applying some Dungeonbred templates add another layer of bears on top?
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Re: the Grizzly Swarn
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2010, 05:09:11 PM »
Given all the bear puns, I had to post these Penny Arcade comics:smirk



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Re: the Grizzly Swarn
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2010, 06:42:44 PM »
EDIT: Considering so far we've got shrunken black bears riding shrunken grizzly bears riding grizzly bears riding animal growth-ed grizzly bears... how about applying some Dungeonbred templates add another layer of bears on top?

I can just imagine the looks on players' faces with this bearing down on them.

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Re: the Grizzly Swarn
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2010, 06:51:56 AM »
EDIT: Considering so far we've got shrunken black bears riding shrunken grizzly bears riding grizzly bears riding animal growth-ed grizzly bears... how about applying some Dungeonbred templates add another layer of bears on top?

I can just imagine the looks on players' faces with this bearing down on them.

Almost as good as the one time I told them
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Re: the Grizzly Swarn
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2010, 09:48:12 PM »
Bearly Legal Grizzly Swarm
Gargantuan Magical Beast (Swarm)
Hit Dice 31d8+495 (598 hp)
Initiative +12
Speed 40 ft
AC 32 (+27 natural, -1 Dex, -4 size), touch 5, flat-footed 32
Base Attack/Grapple +23/+57
Attack Swarm 6d6, bite +45 melee (4d8+22) (see om-nom-nom ability)
Full Attack Swarm 6d6, bite +45 melee (4d8+22) (see om-nom-nom ability)
Space/Reach 30'/0' (see om-nom-nom ability)
Special Attacks expert grappler, improved grab, om-nom-nom, second chance, swallow whole, trample
Special Qualities easy maintenance, hardy
Saves Fort +40, Ref +17, Will +31
Abilities Str 55, Dex 11, Con 39, Int 10, Wis 16, Cha 16
Skills Appraise +34, Autohypnosis +37, Balance +34, Climb +56, Concentration +48, Escape Artist +34, Handle Animal +37, Heal +37, Hide +22, Intimidate +37, Jump +56, Listen +37, Move Silently +34, Perform +37, Ride +34, Search +34, Spot +37, Survival +37, Swim +60*, Tumble +34
Feats Endurance (B), Epic Toughness, Improved Initiative, Improved Toughness, Legendary Tracker, Run, Superior Initiative, Track (4 feats remaining, 1 possible epic)
Environment Cold forests
Organization Solitary
Challenge Rating 21
Treasure None
Alignment Usually neutral
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Level Adjustment --

Before you a strange yet terrifying sight appears. Giant bears! With upon them: less giant bears! And stacked further on top of those are more bears, ultimately controlled and directed by a bunch of small black bears at the very top. In perfect simultaneous unison, the bears roar and it is like a sonic tsunami rolls over you. The bear armies of the wild have arrived.

Easy Maintenance (Ex)Expert Grappler (Ex): A bearly legal grizzly swarm can maintain up to four grapples without penalty and still make attacks as normal against other targets (normally, attacking other targets would impose a -20 penalty on grapple checks). The bearly legal grizzly swarm still loses one bite attack for each grapple maintained. It is never considered flat-footed while grappling.

Hardy (Ex): A bearly legal grizzly swarm has a +2 racial bonus on saves against disease and poison.

Improved Grab (Ex): To use this ability, a Gargantuan grizzly must hit with a bite attack. It can then attempt to start a grapple as a free action without provoking an attack of opportunity.

Om-nom-nom (Ex)Second Chance (Ex): If the bearly legal grizzly swarm is rendered unconscious through nonlethal damage, it disperses, disorganized. If it was brought down to 0 hp through lethal damage, then 30% of the bears that are part of the swarm are dead, 30% are at 0 hp and the rest are at low hp. No matter the outcome for them, the Gargantuan bears regurgitate the Small bears inside of them, unless they have any enemies swallowed as well. The Small bears inside of the Gargantuan bears are unaffected by any damage done to the swarm.

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Re: the Grizzly Swarn
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2010, 10:10:00 PM »
I know that this has reached ridiculous levels at this point, so I'm probably out of sync here; but .....

... what's wrong with just the "mob" template from DMG2?

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Re: the Grizzly Swarn
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2010, 12:31:35 AM »
I know that this has reached ridiculous levels at this point, so I'm probably out of sync here; but .....

... what's wrong with just the "mob" template from DMG2?
Can't be applied to animals or beasts, I think.
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They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
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Re: the Grizzly Swarn
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2010, 01:35:20 AM »
I know that this has reached ridiculous levels at this point, so I'm probably out of sync here; but .....

... what's wrong with just the "mob" template from DMG2?
Can't be applied to animals or beasts, I think.

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If you stop ignoring 289 pages telling what the intent is to stretch "more power" in your own god complexion of your interpretation trumps all to cover ability adjustments from aging then I will ignore a quarter page of rules that exist within a sidebar.
I think in this case the grammar is less important than whether the Str and Dex bonus provided to your created undead scales.

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Re: the Grizzly Swarn
« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2010, 01:38:04 AM »
It is an important detail to bear in mind.

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Re: the Grizzly Swarn
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2010, 01:55:58 AM »
Fo' Shizzle My Grizzle?
It always seems like the barrels around here have something in them.

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Re: the Grizzly Swarn
« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2010, 04:05:53 AM »
So is 50 the BEAR minimum for the swarm?

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Re: the Grizzly Swarn
« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2010, 04:43:04 AM »
I know that this has reached ridiculous levels at this point, so I'm probably out of sync here; but .....

... what's wrong with just the "mob" template from DMG2?

I didn't bear to post my explanation for some parts of the template, instead only having done so when I posted it at Giantitp. I used swarm mainly because mobs don't need a hivemind at all (looking at it, I forgot to include info on that) and because mobs are all the same type of creature and require some tracking of individual hp. That would be rather much of a hassle to do, as the component bears have greatly varying amounts of HD (the Gargantuan and Huge bears would have 25, the Lage and Medium ones 6 and the Small ones 3). I suppose making it a mob with some altered traits could work, but I just didn't see so quickly how to make it reasonably workable. This all was worked up in a matter of hours, anyay.  :scared

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Re: the Grizzly Swarn
« Reply #32 on: June 18, 2010, 08:05:04 PM »
I know that this has reached ridiculous levels at this point, so I'm probably out of sync here; but .....

... what's wrong with just the "mob" template from DMG2?

I didn't bear to post my explanation for some parts of the template, instead only having done so when I posted it at Giantitp. I used swarm mainly because mobs don't need a hivemind at all (looking at it, I forgot to include info on that) and because mobs are all the same type of creature and require some tracking of individual hp. That would be rather much of a hassle to do, as the component bears have greatly varying amounts of HD (the Gargantuan and Huge bears would have 25, the Lage and Medium ones 6 and the Small ones 3). I suppose making it a mob with some altered traits could work, but I just didn't see so quickly how to make it reasonably workable. This all was worked up in a matter of hours, anyay.  :scared
good points.  it would definitely take some shoe-horn adaptation (I've done it myself, but couldn't tell you exactly how I did it -- just went with what felt "right" at the time, with lots of ad-libbing).

that is all.  carry on.

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Re: the Grizzly Swarn
« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2010, 08:34:07 PM »
EDIT: Considering so far we've got shrunken black bears riding shrunken grizzly bears riding grizzly bears riding animal growth-ed grizzly bears... how about applying some Dungeonbred templates add another layer of bears on top?

I can just imagine the looks on players' faces with this bearing down on them.

They'll just have to grin and bear it.

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Re: the Grizzly Swarn
« Reply #34 on: June 23, 2010, 02:15:13 PM »
I'd prefer a mythical animal in my swarm, like a Puma.
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Re: the Grizzly Swarn
« Reply #35 on: June 23, 2010, 02:21:27 PM »
I'd prefer a mythical animal in my swarm, like a Puma.
But it's actually called a warthog.

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[Spoiler]
A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time.  I give you much fu.
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Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
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Re: the Grizzly Swarn
« Reply #36 on: June 23, 2010, 02:29:13 PM »
I'd prefer a mythical animal in my swarm, like a Puma.
Ligers are way cooler.
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Re: the Grizzly Swarn
« Reply #37 on: June 23, 2010, 02:44:42 PM »
I'd prefer a mythical animal in my swarm, like a Puma.
Ligers are way cooler.
and can kick your ass much harder  :D

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Re: the Grizzly Swarn
« Reply #38 on: June 23, 2010, 10:39:36 PM »
I'd prefer a mythical animal in my swarm, like a Puma.
But it's actually called a warthog.

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yknow I think he means the large cat rather than the warthog from lion king...  :p

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Re: the Grizzly Swarn
« Reply #39 on: June 23, 2010, 11:00:01 PM »
I'd prefer a mythical animal in my swarm, like a Puma.
But it's actually called a warthog.

>.>
<.<
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yknow I think he means the large cat rather than the warthog from lion king...  :p
I was making a red vs blue joke.
[Spoiler]
A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time.  I give you much fu.
Three Errata for the Mage-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie.
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