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A Quality BBEG Build (ECL 13)
« on: June 02, 2010, 05:38:05 PM »
So I'm DMing a campaign and the party is fairly close to the end of a particular quest, and the climatic battle with the BBEG. However, the party has become much more powerful than what I anticipated and they will probably gain a level before getting to the BBEG. So, what I ask is to help me rework my NPC and make it as challenging (and as flavourful) as possible. The party consists of a Ranger, Cleric of chauntea, and a frenzied berserker at level 10.

Here are the restrictions:
- Must be Drow, Female.
- Must worship Lolth.
- Must have levels in Sorcerer.
- Must be level 13 MAX.
- Stats: 32pt buy.
- Templates are welcome, possibly Necropolitan.

Previous Build:
- Sorcerer 9/Monk 3
- Feats need to be reworked
- Spells: Necro & Ench.

In terms of encounter, she can be coupled with a few henchmen for protection (if she is a pure caster build) or she can be alone (if you manage to somehow add in combat abilities, like a dip in Monk). Tactics may include controlling the Berserker and using him against the party.

I'm open to any suggestions.
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Re: A Quality BBEG Build (ECL 13)
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2010, 05:44:00 PM »
Has to be Sorcerer? Hmn....

You could adapt the Dragon Prophet PrC and the various prophecy feats from from Eberron.  A drow sorceress who fights while in the Ecstasy of Divine Vision, dancing and gibbering as mindbending eldritch knowledge teases through her mind.....  Ooh, yeah I'm liking this idea.

Plus, IIRC there were some pretty nifty things you can do while in Prophetic Favor.
Eh, the wizard have more money than them combined, he could in theory just use all his money on a fleet of trained attack mules, but then we aren't playing 3.5 but zergling rushing in Starcraft instead.

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Re: A Quality BBEG Build (ECL 13)
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2010, 05:47:28 PM »
Since you apparently have Libris Mortis, I will suggest taking the Mother Cyst feat and getting some of the PC's hit with Necrotic Cyst before the battle.  A -2 penalty on saves vs. some of her nastier spells ought to help out.  Any undead also deal an additional 1d6 damage with each attack against infected PC's.
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Re: A Quality BBEG Build (ECL 13)
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2010, 05:47:46 PM »
It's mostly about spells known...


Confusion is an absolutely amazing spell. So is Arcane Fusion.

A familiar + UMD ranks = extra actions

Blindsight + Freedom of Movement (Heart of Water, or whatever) + Evard's + Solid Fog = death trap that she can stand in the middle of. Replace Solid Fog with Cloudkill and add a potion of Delay Poison, and a Neutralize Poison for later, to make it even nastier.
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Re: A Quality BBEG Build (ECL 13)
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2010, 05:48:33 PM »
Has to be Sorcerer?
Indeed. The party had a run in with her previously and she was a Sorcerer2/Monk3 at the time.

EDIT: This looks...alright.

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A familiar + UMD ranks = extra actions
I wonder if I can use a Living Spell as a familiar. I think I saw something along those lines on these forums.
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Re: A Quality BBEG Build (ECL 13)
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2010, 06:11:21 PM »
try this:
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Try this:

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Re: A Quality BBEG Build (ECL 13)
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2010, 06:11:41 PM »
Lesser Drow Monk 1/Sorcerer 4/Enlightened Fist 8 is the easiest way to keep that flavor and progress both sets of abilities.

This gives sorcerer casting as an 11th level sorcerer which with the right spell selection may be fine.

Feats:
Combat Casting (Prereq)
Versatile Spellcaster
Practiced Spellcaster
Arcane Strike

Spells:
Wings of Cover is essential.  Full cover against the cleric's first spell is good.
Ruin Delver's Fortune is great against many effects.
Alter Fortune costs XP, but as an NPC you don't care.
Solid Fog is always solid.
Summon Monster 4 or 5 into the fog also tends to be effective.
Wings of Flurry to damage and possibly stun.
Flight/Alter Self (from a scroll?) gives you much needed maneuverability.
Arcane Fusion to do something like Solid Fog + Grease in the same round.
Bite of the Wereboar for the buffing.
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Re: A Quality BBEG Build (ECL 13)
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2010, 06:27:21 PM »
Altneratively
Monk 1/Sorcerer 4/Unarmed Swordsage 2/Jade Phoenix Mage 6

Wis to AC twice.
Maneuvers
JPM class features
Only 4th level spells

Technically needs to be non-evil, although re-flavoring is pretty easy.

edit: Sorcerer 3/JPM 7 is possible if you take heighten spell with versatile spellcaster for early entry.  This gives you initiator level 11 and a 6th level maneuver.
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Re: A Quality BBEG Build (ECL 13)
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2010, 06:31:30 PM »
Or just Sorcerer X/PrC Y, where Y is a full casting PrC, and give her a monk's belt... Lost CLs = not worth what you're giving up for them.

That said, you could afford to lose 1 CL, since all you get from going from 12 to 13 is more spells per day and spells known.
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Re: A Quality BBEG Build (ECL 13)
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2010, 07:56:23 PM »
Have you looked into animating dead for the BBEG?

Having undead minions would be a very easy way to enhance flavor and also increase the challenge of the fight. Plus, your cleric can feel good by using up their Turning attempts.

It doesn't even have to be stuff the BBEG used Animate Dead on personally. Just give her a few mummies, vampires, zombies, skeleton dragons(Draconomicon), whatever to use as minions.
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Re: A Quality BBEG Build (ECL 13)
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2010, 07:57:58 PM »
Have you looked into raising animating dead for the BBEG?
FTFY. Quite a big difference there. ;)
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Re: A Quality BBEG Build (ECL 13)
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2010, 08:02:17 PM »
Have you looked into raising animating dead for the BBEG?
FTFY. Quite a big difference there. ;)
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Re: A Quality BBEG Build (ECL 13)
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2010, 11:45:53 PM »
Have you looked into animating dead for the BBEG?
Cool idea. I'll give her some henchmen, which upon death, could be animated.

On a side note, are turn attempts counterspell-able?

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Re: A Quality BBEG Build (ECL 13)
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2010, 11:57:47 PM »
try this:

Way too spiky.  A chick that could actually conceivably fight without stabbing herself would be much better.
Eh, the wizard have more money than them combined, he could in theory just use all his money on a fleet of trained attack mules, but then we aren't playing 3.5 but zergling rushing in Starcraft instead.

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Re: A Quality BBEG Build (ECL 13)
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2010, 12:12:32 AM »
passive way monk3/sorcerer6/abjurantchampion2

Str 14
Dex 16 (14 +2)
Con 12 (14 -2)
Int 14 (12 +2)
Wis 8
Cha 18 (16 +2)

Feats
Monk- combat expertise, improved trip
1-combat casting
3-improved initative
6-practiced spellcaster
9-ascetic mage

Spell list

1-shield, protection from good, grease (excellent spell against the FB), charm person, beign transpositation
2-wings of cover, glitterdust, alter self
3-ray of exhaustion, dispel magic
4-wings of flurry

I'd recommend a scroll of mage armor to be used before combat
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Re: A Quality BBEG Build (ECL 13)
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2010, 04:36:20 AM »
I normally don't do casters. If you need something really powerful (aka over-CRd) lemme know  :flutter
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Re: A Quality BBEG Build (ECL 13)
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2010, 04:55:47 AM »
I'm away from my books right now but I recall an Aoe spell something grave mist from the spell compendium that will prevent the berserker from ripping her apart with rage/frenzy. Also wing of cover will help prevent a one shot charge kill. You could reflavor the spell to be cobwebs of cover or something instead of wings.

Dominated drider minions can be pesky as well.

Now that I think about it an undead lord of the utter cold build w/ some undead minions being healed by your cold / neg energy spells every round would be very memorable.
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Re: A Quality BBEG Build (ECL 13)
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2010, 07:48:52 AM »
Try this:



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Re: A Quality BBEG Build (ECL 13)
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2010, 10:14:35 AM »
On a side note, are turn attempts counterspell-able?
No Supernatural Ability can be counterspelled, but there are ways of making it a non-issue.
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