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Optimaztion Challenge: Douchey-DM
« on: June 02, 2010, 03:59:05 PM »
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So my DM is rather douchey. Have to be HUMAN. 3rd level, 25 point buy, no starting magic items(or any availible to buy). Book of 9 swords is banned, and I cant dip in classes just to get some good bonuses.  :pout

Ya we are in Faeruin and for some reason all the items are atleast 200% cost. And all the town guards are like 5th level.....

So our douchey DM decided that my dagger throwing fighter/ranger/swordsage was to cool, and had my fucking arm bitten off and ruled that i cant rapid throw with one arm even though I have quickdraw  :banghead  so im going to get my self killed and bring in a new PC.

Heres the challenge, I need a character that wont need magic items to be a bad ass, and I cant take abunch of different class dips.... only afew are allowed. like 2 or 3.
I would like to do a Rogue type character so maybe I can steal something. Or I was thinking bout doing a monk and going vow of poverty or something. So I need help flipping the bird to my douche bag DM. Please any ideas are greatly appriciated.
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Re: Optimaztion Challenge: Douchey-DM
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2010, 04:09:49 PM »
Sounds like the type that'll curb stomp any build you bring that he thinks is too powerful or doesn't fit the image he wants. The recommendation you'll get from the majority of posters here is to try and find another DM, since you won't likely be able to solve this type of issue with a build. If you really want to just break his game and annoy him, though, there's a virtually unlimited number of options you have. Almost any of the guides here or back on 339 should give you something outside the power curve he seems to want.
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Re: Optimaztion Challenge: Douchey-DM
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2010, 04:14:51 PM »
Sounds like the type that'll curb stomp any build you bring that he thinks is too powerful or doesn't fit the image he wants. The recommendation you'll get from the majority of posters here is to try and find another DM, since you won't likely be able to solve this type of issue with a build.
Oh, not at all.  Don't just run away from the problem as a first resort.

Take the situation head on, get the other players behind you, confront the DM with the problem, and if that doesn't work, take the DM's seat and run the game yourself.
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Re: Optimaztion Challenge: Douchey-DM
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2010, 04:17:21 PM »
Wizard 3 with Craft Wondrous Item. Cast Summon Mount and sell them to unsuspecting fools. Use the money you earn to craft your own damned magic items. Take a Reserve feat so you don't run out of spells. I'd suggest being a Conjuration specialist with Abrupt Jaunt, although if you go into Loremaster a raven (or Improved) familiar can be amazing, as it can use your ranks in Use Magic Device to give you extra actions in combat via wands. For that, you'd probably want to take Craft Wand as your 5th level bonus feat.
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Re: Optimaztion Challenge: Douchey-DM
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2010, 04:18:10 PM »
If your DM gets annoyed about having an effective dagger thrower in a game then there is really nothing you can do as far as I can tell. You might be able to get by with a character that needs very little to be effective, try looking into magic of incarnum, totemists tend to be very gear independent.

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Re: Optimaztion Challenge: Douchey-DM
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2010, 04:53:12 PM »
lvl 3 fearun you said? half-fey (2) / anything (1) with magic in the blood feat.
Take sacred vow/vow of poverty as next feats. Should at least take care of item difficulties, but agree with other people: if the situation you describe is typical of DM's behaviour, a build won't solve the problem.

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Re: Optimaztion Challenge: Douchey-DM
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2010, 05:13:26 PM »
Sounds like an oldschool gygaxian DM which sees the players as the enemy.  Explain to him that you are playing 3.5 and it doesn't work that way anymore.
Eh, the wizard have more money than them combined, he could in theory just use all his money on a fleet of trained attack mules, but then we aren't playing 3.5 but zergling rushing in Starcraft instead.

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Re: Optimaztion Challenge: Douchey-DM
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2010, 05:52:30 PM »
If your DM gets annoyed about having an effective dagger thrower in a game then there is really nothing you can do as far as I can tell. 

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Re: Optimaztion Challenge: Douchey-DM
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2010, 05:55:17 PM »
You know... forget my previous reply. Just go with Greenbound Summoning on a druid. Take the Elemental Reserve feat if you get high enough level, and of course take Natural Spell at 6th. That's about all you need...
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Re: Optimaztion Challenge: Douchey-DM
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2010, 06:21:21 PM »
If the DM did that to my character I'd have told him that he's an idiot right there.

The best way to deal with that sort is to stop letting them DM.

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Re: Optimaztion Challenge: Douchey-DM
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2010, 08:16:34 PM »
No friendly local Red Wizard shop?

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Re: Optimaztion Challenge: Douchey-DM
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2010, 08:20:27 PM »
always fun to emphasise that your old character wasnt broken by making a core only druid and curbstomping the game... not that you should do that... totally not...

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Re: Optimaztion Challenge: Douchey-DM
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2010, 08:26:37 PM »
Monk with Great Fortitude and Poison Healer, going into Drunken Master.

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Re: Optimaztion Challenge: Douchey-DM
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2010, 08:28:19 PM »
Fighter-2/ Thief- alot/ Shadow Smith-10

Pull whatever magic gear you want out of your own shadow.

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Re: Optimaztion Challenge: Douchey-DM
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2010, 08:45:37 PM »
If it comes to showing him up, I present 2 main options:

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Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu].
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Re: Optimaztion Challenge: Douchey-DM
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2010, 08:54:22 PM »
Hello Boards!! I love you all  :love

K on to the post.

So my DM is rather douchey. Have to be HUMAN. 3rd level, 25 point buy, no starting magic items(or any availible to buy). Book of 9 swords is banned, and I cant dip in classes just to get some good bonuses.  :pout

Ya we are in Faeruin and for some reason all the items are atleast 200% cost. And all the town guards are like 5th level.....

So our douchey DM decided that my dagger throwing fighter/ranger/swordsage was to cool, and had my fucking arm bitten off and ruled that i cant rapid throw with one arm even though I have quickdraw  :banghead  so im going to get my self killed and bring in a new PC.

Heres the challenge, I need a character that wont need magic items to be a bad ass, and I cant take abunch of different class dips.... only afew are allowed. like 2 or 3.
I would like to do a Rogue type character so maybe I can steal something. Or I was thinking bout doing a monk and going vow of poverty or something. So I need help flipping the bird to my douche bag DM. Please any ideas are greatly appriciated.

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Re: Optimaztion Challenge: Douchey-DM
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2010, 11:44:25 PM »
Sounds like time for a calm, rational discussion about Players vs DM attitude and how it's no good for anyone.  Followed by pointing out Rule -1 if he says something along the lines of "I'm the DM, my word is law!"  Possibly followed by a stiff jab in the nose.

Druid 20 is a good way to demonstrate the idiocy of the idea that core is balanced and splats are not, but I wouldn't expect it to go very far.  This sounds more like a spite thing than a balance issue.
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Re: Optimaztion Challenge: Douchey-DM
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2010, 12:00:27 AM »
Psuedonatural Dire Weasels are always a good way to express how annoyed you are.  (Alienist!)
Eh, the wizard have more money than them combined, he could in theory just use all his money on a fleet of trained attack mules, but then we aren't playing 3.5 but zergling rushing in Starcraft instead.

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Re: Optimaztion Challenge: Douchey-DM
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2010, 12:02:11 AM »
If the DM is willing to blithely break rules and invent situations to nerf characters, you can't optimize it, except in that you convince him you're playing what he wants you to play but better. So as far as that goes, be a non-flashy character, like a control wizard or the like. Everyone understands damage, usually only people who understand the dynamics of the game realize the danger of enlarge person and grease.

That said, if you're trying to win a fight against the GM, you're out of luck. Your best bet is not to try and do it mechanically, where he'll just rule zero you or summon a Baylor, but roleplaying wise. He can strike at your characters, but you can strike at his campaign.

I suggest playing low. A Vow of Poverty, Non-Violence, and Peace character totally screws with most campaigns. (ab)Use diplomacy.

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Re: Optimaztion Challenge: Douchey-DM
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2010, 04:38:42 AM »
I can understand most of the posters responses concerning the DM in question: we've all been there.

I'd like to point out the other side of the coin, though: perhaps the player didn't get his arm bitten off because he was "too powerful", but because he's a dickhead. I have had players in my group who were just begging for a good mauling.

In either case, it sounds like the player needs to have a discussion (as some have already mentioned) with his DM concerning mutual ideas of fun. If the players aren't enjoying the game, then the DM is doing it wrong. That's all there is to it. It's the job of the DM to provide a fun gaming situation, which is the reason that all the power is supposed to be on his side. It's not there for abuse and shitty storytelling. However, the player needs to be communicative about personal preferences and styles of gaming.