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Magic Mantle+Spell School Caster Level Boosts
« on: May 23, 2010, 01:23:07 AM »
Rule Question

This is the magic mantle granted ability.
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MAGIC MANTLE
Granted Ability: You gain Use Magic Device as a class skill. If you purchased ranks in Use Magic Device or Use Psionic Device at the cross-class rate, you get additional ranks in Use Magic Device or Use Psionic Device as if it had always been a class skill for you.
In addition, you always treat magic and psionics as identical.
Therefore, powers such as dispel psionics work for both magic and psionics. Most campaigns already treat them in this manner, so this mantle is most useful in campaigns where they are considered different systems

This ability goes further than normal magic/psionic transparency.

Under the magic mantle anything that increases caster level would increase manifester level as long as it is untyped (no arcane or divine reference).

For comparison, this is normal psionic/magic transparency
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Now my question is this.  Under metacreativity it has this comment
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Now there are 3 domains out there that improve Conjuration (Creation) Caster Level
Artifice +1 - Eb Conj(creat)
Craft +1 - PGF Conj(creat)
Creation +1 - SC Conj(creat)

Under normal magic/psionic transparency this wouldn't increase your manifester level if you were a multiclassed cleric/ardent or cleric/psion.  But the magic mantle ability is special, your powers are more special than a traditional psionic, for you magic and psionics are one of the same.

So if you have the magic mantle, would taking a level in cleric to grab the Artifice and Creation Domain increase the manifester level of your metacreativity (creation) powers by 2?

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Re: Magic Mantle+Spell School Caster Level Boosts
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2010, 04:58:34 PM »
I think a few others have spotted that line, around here.
Of course it's silly.
Rai No, but clearly the wording can mean exactly what you posted.
I say yes and why not.

I don't have Dragon #349 sitting in front of me,
but the Psiotheurgist feat(s) are clarifiers for a more specific school / discipline transparency.
Conj (healing) = Psychometabolism (healing)
Conj (teleport) = Psychoportation
 ... these are/were/shoulda been obvious. But hey, at least they got it.
I forget off-hand what the other changes were.
Div still = Clairsentience
Charm still = Telepathy

Augment powers have always been possibly ML un-capped.
A list of un-capped CL spells, would get some interesting crazinesses going.
Almost all of the good CL or ML boosters are over on the magic side.

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Re: Magic Mantle+Spell School Caster Level Boosts
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2010, 10:37:43 PM »
If you want a higher Conjuration CL, use the Creation and Summoner (Spell Companedium) domains.
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Re: Magic Mantle+Spell School Caster Level Boosts
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2010, 11:07:20 PM »
If you want a higher Conjuration CL, use the Creation and Summoner (Spell Companedium) domains.
Summoner domain while being +2 cl, only works on summoning and calling conjuration spells.  Thus it would have no effect on metacreativity (creation) such as astral construct, creation powers, and fabricate powers.

That is why I referenced the 3 domains that I did, they work on conjuration (creation).

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Re: Magic Mantle+Spell School Caster Level Boosts
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2010, 02:03:03 PM »
Using this could you increase manifesting with a PrC that increases non-specific spellcasting? Or vis versa like increasing a Sorcerers spells with the Slayer PrC?
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