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What are the limits of Soulbound Weapon?
« on: May 08, 2010, 02:06:45 PM »
The Psi War variant class feature. I can't figure out exactly how it works.

Either you're stuck with the same basic, off the shelf, non masterwork weapon from level 1 all the way to the end (and I can't grasp that weapon meaning more to a warrior than one he crafted himself from special ores that have a deep significance to him), or you're able to select something much, much better than you should be able to get at level 1 (Say, a double bladed sword, one side Deep crystal and the other side Dwarvencraft Starmetal. Both ends holding wand slots and heavied)

Even if the weapon isn't a "real" weapon, what if you had a deep fear of lycanthropes? would your weapon be alchemical silver?

Since you summon the same weapon every time, what if it is destroyed?


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Re: What are the limits of Soulbound Weapon?
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2010, 02:16:05 PM »
It is a weapon made of normal materials for its type. So not getting lots of awesome materials for your weapons.

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Re: What are the limits of Soulbound Weapon?
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2010, 09:06:59 PM »
natch ... like all things CPsi and after, the edit button was difficult to find.

There is quite a bit of waffle zone with this ACF. Don't worry though, it's not really breakable, no matter what.
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/callWeaponry.htm
You can't call a specific weapon, which contradicts the PsyWar acf.
It's supposed to have appropriate materials, but it's a Soulknife's Mind Blade equivalent. Those have no material, to speak of.
So it's off to la-la land of make believe ... which shouldn't be hard for a good CO-er.

The PsyWar ability can work with Bloodline 3 / Legacy Champ 2 / Uncanny Trickster 2 type cheese. Still not borkt.
The augment part can be jacked up via CL trickery brought over via Psiotheurgist stuff from Dr#349.
Sounds complicated right? It is. So you get Epic weapon enhancements early.

Farthest out, would be getting a really high CL or ML, and then running out of Epic mods to put on it.
Luckily, the 1st level power can be manifested more than once, so Polymorph into a Marilith.
6-hands of hot mess demon slice-o-matic. Still not getting into high level spells type stuff.

The old psi-board basically ignored this acf.
Your mileage will vary.
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Re: What are the limits of Soulbound Weapon?
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2010, 01:57:21 PM »
Also you can op your weapon choice. In games where firearms are available this could cut your costs and dismiss/summon might be quicker than reloading. In a "normal" game I like to summon a soulbound catapult. Handy in a pirate campaign.

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Re: What are the limits of Soulbound Weapon?
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2010, 06:55:24 PM »
... soulbound catapult ...
(blink, blink)
Niice. Very nice.
Quote from: d20srd call weaponry
... you just specify the kind ...
... with no limitations. Sweet. Catapult is a weapon.
Might have to take a non-proficiency penalty.

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Re: What are the limits of Soulbound Weapon?
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2010, 08:11:19 PM »
Any artifacts that deal damage but don't reference another weapon (like the Wand of Orcus, I'm pretty sure, references heavy maces or something)?
So you end up stuck in an endless loop, unable to act, forever.

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Re: What are the limits of Soulbound Weapon?
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2010, 08:20:21 PM »
What I want is a soulbound returning caber (MotW).
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Re: What are the limits of Soulbound Weapon?
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2010, 08:42:00 PM »
A monk's entire body is considered a weapon.

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Re: What are the limits of Soulbound Weapon?
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2010, 08:55:05 PM »
A monk's entire body is considered a weapon.

*Hint hint*

So you can summon a Monk at will? Too bad you can't "relinquish" your grip on him or he will "go whence he came from". Could've built a very nice pile of corpses to hide behind otherwise.

edit: Actually, can you use them for sacrifices? As long as you don't lose grip on them (even if they die), they should exist. Long enough to be sacrificed to some Elder Evil.

Come on people, this is our new trick! Spontaneous monk summoning will be the next basketweaving.

edit2: Come to think of it, what is an "ordinary" Monk? Would Monk 1/Druid 9/Planar Sphepherd 10 qualify? Is "body of an Epic Monk" a possibility? Is this the new Schaedling? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Re: What are the limits of Soulbound Weapon?
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2010, 09:29:06 PM »
Say, there's that detach feat from savage species. Call your own amputated arm for battle!
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Re: What are the limits of Soulbound Weapon?
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2010, 10:35:09 PM »
A monk's entire body is considered a weapon.

*Hint hint*

Gorrammit, Lycanthromancer. Why must you one-up me? Looks like the Shaedling to me.

EDIT: Actually, come to think of it, a Monk's body is a modified Unarmed Strike, I think, so I think that's what you would summon. Nevertheless, there is somebody out there who is gonna be PISSED every time you get into combat.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2010, 10:42:01 PM by Bauglir »
So you end up stuck in an endless loop, unable to act, forever.

In retrospect, much like Keanu Reeves.

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Re: What are the limits of Soulbound Weapon?
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2010, 02:55:19 AM »
Who remembers that old debate about what kind of damage would you get if you tore off a monk's limb and used it as a weapon?
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Re: What are the limits of Soulbound Weapon?
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2010, 06:24:08 AM »
Who remembers that old debate about what kind of damage would you get if you tore off a monk's limb and used it as a weapon?
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Re: What are the limits of Soulbound Weapon?
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2010, 06:38:16 AM »
... soulbound catapult ...
(blink, blink)
Niice. Very nice.
Quote from: d20srd call weaponry
... you just specify the kind ...
... with no limitations. Sweet. Catapult is a weapon.
Might have to take a non-proficiency penalty.

Heroes of battle has proficiencies for siege weapons I think, i know if i was going to be using it every fight i would have Weapon Proficiency(Ballista)

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Re: What are the limits of Soulbound Weapon?
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2010, 06:40:20 AM »
This thread has become win. I've been trying to find a good way of making a charrie that can use ballistas and other siege weapons, though I'm not 100% sure it's more effective than a focused archer. I figured there had to be a way of summoning them.

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Re: What are the limits of Soulbound Weapon?
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2010, 07:00:39 AM »
And what happens when you call a double weapon? The power and ACF make no provisions for how the enhancements get divvied up. In fact, lacking that specific text you could make a reasonable argument that the bonuses apply to both sides. For some reason a Revenant Blade suddenly leaps to mind.
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Re: What are the limits of Soulbound Weapon?
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2010, 01:59:58 PM »
And what happens when you call a double weapon? The power and ACF make no provisions for how the enhancements get divvied up. In fact, lacking that specific text you could make a reasonable argument that the bonuses apply to both sides. For some reason a Revenant Blade suddenly leaps to mind.

Much like casting magic weapon on a double weapon. It is one object with equal bonus on both ends.

Seige weapons are fired with the profession(seige engineer). Attacking an area with the skill is quite easy. Have your psicrystal help you reload. Or share the call and your psicrystal can have its own catapult. If monkey is a valid familiar, get one. With your ranks in the skill he is a powder monkey.

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Re: What are the limits of Soulbound Weapon?
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2010, 02:04:18 PM »
And what happens when you call a double weapon? The power and ACF make no provisions for how the enhancements get divvied up. In fact, lacking that specific text you could make a reasonable argument that the bonuses apply to both sides. For some reason a Revenant Blade suddenly leaps to mind.

Much like casting magic weapon on a double weapon. It is one object with equal bonus on both ends.
Actually, I think you have to cast Magic Weapon twice on a double weapon to affect both ends. I know that's how it works when permanently enchanting such a weapon, and I think casting a spell on it would work the same, but I don't remember if this is explicitly stated in the rules anywhere...
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Re: What are the limits of Soulbound Weapon?
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2010, 02:18:16 PM »
Well, I can't say much about the catapults (except you need to have an ally to cast summon monster for lions to fire - a REAL catapult), but note that any time you summon a monk, you ONLY summon the monk.

No items at all. Including clothes.

I'm sure if the monk you chose was close to you in the first place, he (and/or she) may not actually mind too much.
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Re: What are the limits of Soulbound Weapon?
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2010, 02:40:45 PM »
A drunken master calling his favourite barstool to knock someone over the head is kinda funny. Oh, how about a hulking hurler?
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