Do holy weapons deal holy, untyped, or physical damage?

[nijineko]

that's not how i've been answered the times that i've asked.... i've always received a courteous answer, more of an opinion, perhaps, followed by a 'well, it's really the dm's call' obligatory trailer, but... i've gotten a real answer the times i've asked.

[taltamir]

well, they didn't literally say "go buy 4e"...
if you want to see what transpired here is a record of it:
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146865&highlight=aura+detect+magic

[EjoThims]

well, they didn't literally say "go buy 4e"...
if you want to see what transpired here is a record of it:
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146865&highlight=aura+detect+magic

It bugs me (but not enough to make an account) that no one pointed out the obvious.

Specific overrides general. The wondrous items are specific per item over the general detect magic rules, so they take priority. Whether it was a mistake on the editor's part or not is another matter, without a houserule, the 'wrong' values given in the wondrous item descriptions are correct per the raw.

[taltamir]

well, they didn't literally say "go buy 4e"...
if you want to see what transpired here is a record of it:
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146865&highlight=aura+detect+magic

It bugs me (but not enough to make an account) that no one pointed out the obvious.

Specific overrides general. The wondrous items are specific per item over the general detect magic rules, so they take priority. Whether it was a mistake on the editor's part or not is another matter, without a houserule, the 'wrong' values given in the wondrous item descriptions are correct per the raw.

Maybe so, but it is clearly a mistake.

[Prak, the Mad]

I don't know (though I always assumed holy myself), but I do know that good aligned clerics deal damage as a good aligned weapon when chucked at undead.

[skydragonknight]

I don't know (though I always assumed holy myself), but I do know that good aligned clerics deal damage as a good aligned weapon when chucked at undead.

Yes, and if they cast Bless on themselves first, you will automatically confirm a critical hit.

[taltamir]

I don't know (though I always assumed holy myself), but I do know that good aligned clerics deal damage as a good aligned weapon when chucked at undead.

Yes, and if they cast Bless on themselves first, you will automatically confirm a critical hit.

wait, what? how does that work?

[Banaticus]

...but I do know that good aligned clerics deal damage as a good aligned weapon when chucked at undead.

That's not actually true, PCs (and NPCs) don't have the [good] alignment subtype.  Now, the good god of a good aligned cleric would deal damage as a good aligned weapon if you were to throw the god at some undead, but I don't generally advocate trying to throw a god at anyone or anything.

[Havok4]

but I don't generally advocate trying to throw a god at anyone or anything.

You could the cleric of a holy rock you carry around, in which case that might be a viable strategy.

[veekie]

but I don't generally advocate trying to throw a god at anyone or anything.

You could the cleric of a holy rock you carry around, in which case that might be a viable strategy.

"My God shall SMITE thee."
*Slams said deity on opponent's noggin.*

[Prak, the Mad]

...but I do know that good aligned clerics deal damage as a good aligned weapon when chucked at undead.

That's not actually true, PCs (and NPCs) don't have the [good] alignment subtype.  Now, the good god of a good aligned cleric would deal damage as a good aligned weapon if you were to throw the god at some undead, but I don't generally advocate trying to throw a god at anyone or anything.

hey, it struck me when the situation came up, I asked the dm, and he said he was amused enough by the situation to allow it.

And I personally endorse and encourage throwing deities at your enemies. Those gods have to be good for something, why not ammo?

[nijineko]

i could totally see that for that prestige for the believers in dead, forgotten and lost powers.

i can see some goliath (quarter) ogre (quarter) giant hulking hurler with oversized fighting wielding the only pillar left standing of some long forgotten power as a holy weapon... doubles as an oversized club or a caber or a big ranged rock, depending on usage. shades of samurai shodown.

[Prak, the Mad]

...but I do know that good aligned clerics deal damage as a good aligned weapon when chucked at undead.

That's not actually true, PCs (and NPCs) don't have the [good] alignment subtype.

no, but a cleric does have an alignment aura.