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Linked Power: Why is it so spiffy?
« on: April 20, 2010, 11:12:48 PM »
People mention this Complete Psionic feat again and again, yet I fail to see the point.  Why's Linked Power so uber?
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Re: Linked Power: Why is it so spiffy?
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2010, 11:16:59 PM »
People mention this Complete Psionic feat again and again, yet I fail to see the point.  Why's Linked Power so uber?
You link it with Hustle (or any other swift action power) on the first round and X on the next, and you pretty much get a quicken spell, delayed one round, for only +1 PP. Not Uber just Uber Handy.
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Re: Linked Power: Why is it so spiffy?
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2010, 11:18:49 PM »
People mention this Complete Psionic feat again and again, yet I fail to see the point.  Why's Linked Power so uber?
You link it with Hustle (or any other swift action power) on the first round and X on the next, and you pretty much get a quicken spell, delayed one round, for only +1 PP. Not Uber just Uber Handy.
it makes psywar combat buffing that much better.
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Re: Linked Power: Why is it so spiffy?
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2010, 11:19:07 PM »
Can I do a Linked Quickened synchronicity?
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Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"

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Re: Linked Power: Why is it so spiffy?
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2010, 11:34:55 PM »
Can I do a Linked Quickened synchronicity?
As far as I read sure. Normal rules about not going over your PP limit still apply and you'll need to find a way to expend two psionic focus, or not spending one. Easily done.
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Re: Linked Power: Why is it so spiffy?
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2010, 11:55:11 PM »
And an Ardent with dominant ideal and metapower basically manifests all those powers at 4PP lower than normal without losing focus.
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Re: Linked Power: Why is it so spiffy?
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2010, 11:55:41 PM »
Can I do a Linked Quickened synchronicity?
As far as I read sure. Normal rules about not going over your PP limit still apply and you'll need to find a way to expend two psionic focus, or not spending one. Easily done.
don't even touch synchronicity unless you want to see speeding DMG's break the speed of light.
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Re: Linked Power: Why is it so spiffy?
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2010, 11:56:24 PM »
It increases a psionic character's abuse of the action economy immensely. Okay, not ALWAYS immensely, but in the right situations, yes.

Let's take my current shaper/constructor 11. He can manifest a 1 pp ecto protection as a swift action (manifested in the same round as astral construct) Linked with astral construct which doesn't need an entire round to manifest (and yet it appears in the same way, at the same time), he uses a move action to renew his psionic focus, then tosses out a standard action entangling ectoplasm Linked to another astral construct, which appears in the same manner as the first.

Voila, he just manifested 4 powers in one round, two of which were astral construct, both of which are, essentially, Quickened, and it not only just cost 2 additional power points, but both powers I Linked them to are, in and of themselves, useful.

Now, imagine what happens when you toss this on a psychic warrior? You use your swift action (on, say, grip of iron) Linked to another buff (let's say expansion), and use your move and standard actions to move and attack (or full attack). Next round you have two buffs up, and it didn't affect your combat viability at all.

Very very very useful, and far better (in my opinion) than Quicken Power, if only because it doesn't cost nearly as much.

It also forces the second power to go off in the second round, regardless of manifesting time. Now you don't need to spend a psionic contingency on that psychic reformation, and you no longer have to spend 10 minutes on using psionic minor creation to make that plant-acid you need right now.
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Re: Linked Power: Why is it so spiffy?
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2010, 11:58:31 PM »
Also you "only pay pp cost" of the Linked Power. Meaning you don't pay XP costs.

But that's only if you're feeling a little silly.

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Re: Linked Power: Why is it so spiffy?
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2010, 12:29:15 AM »
Why not use quicken SLA instead of quicken power?  It seems more useful, TBH.
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Re: Linked Power: Why is it so spiffy?
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2010, 12:30:54 AM »
Psionic powers and psi-like abilities aren't Spell-Likes, and so those feats don't work with psionics (except for the stupid stock-standard (Sp) psionic monsters, such as the illithids, aboleths, and coatls in the Monster Manual).
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Re: Linked Power: Why is it so spiffy?
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2010, 12:33:58 AM »
Psionic powers and psi-like abilities aren't Spell-Likes, and so those feats don't work with psionics (except for the stupid stock-standard (Sp) psionic monsters, such as the illithids, aboleths, and coatls in the Monster Manual).
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All psionics are psi-like abilities.
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Re: Linked Power: Why is it so spiffy?
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2010, 12:48:56 AM »
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Re: Linked Power: Why is it so spiffy?
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2010, 12:50:35 AM »
Similar stuff from a thread last month: http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=7385.0
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Re: Linked Power: Why is it so spiffy?
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2010, 01:15:58 AM »
Psionic powers and psi-like abilities aren't Spell-Likes, and so those feats don't work with psionics (except for the stupid stock-standard (Sp) psionic monsters, such as the illithids, aboleths, and coatls in the Monster Manual).
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Psi-Like Abilities And Feats

Creatures with access to psi-like abilities can use the feats Empower Spell-Like Ability and Quicken Spell-Like Ability.
Alright, I can see creatures with psi-like abilities using those feats, considering that particular quote. However,

All psionics are psi-like abilities.
No. Unless spells are all spell-like abilities? No?

No.

Psions and psychic warriors don't use psi-like abilities; otherwise all of their powers would be max-augmented without spending any power points, like psi-like abilities are.
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Re: Linked Power: Why is it so spiffy?
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2010, 01:19:56 AM »
The quote I've been shown for this is
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Which is weird, but apparently legit.
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Re: Linked Power: Why is it so spiffy?
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2010, 01:26:52 AM »
So you can spontaneously add metapsionics using those Spell-Like Ability feats?

Also, powers are max-augmented every time, without spending more any pp.

You also don't have to spend XP on them either:

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A creature with psi-like abilities does not pay for these abilities with power points and does not pay any XP cost associated with manifesting the power the ability duplicates.

Whoa.
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Re: Linked Power: Why is it so spiffy?
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2010, 01:30:00 AM »
So you can spontaneously add metapsionics using those Spell-Like Ability feats?

Also, powers are max-augmented every time, without spending more any pp.

You also don't have to spend XP on them either:

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A creature with psi-like abilities does not pay for these abilities with power points and does not pay any XP cost associated with manifesting the power the ability duplicates.

Whoa.
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Re: Linked Power: Why is it so spiffy?
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2010, 01:33:22 AM »
So you can spontaneously add metapsionics using those Spell-Like Ability feats?

Also, powers are max-augmented every time, without spending more any pp.

You also don't have to spend XP on them either:

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A creature with psi-like abilities does not pay for these abilities with power points and does not pay any XP cost associated with manifesting the power the ability duplicates.

Whoa.
I believe this is a case of specific overriding general - that is, you get the SLA stuff, but not the more general "avoid power point and XP costs" stuff.


But hey, it's not my fault psionics are fundamentally broken.  I didn't write the books.
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Re: Linked Power: Why is it so spiffy?
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2010, 01:34:29 AM »
So you can spontaneously add metapsionics using those Spell-Like Ability feats?

Also, powers are max-augmented every time, without spending more any pp.

You also don't have to spend XP on them either:

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A creature with psi-like abilities does not pay for these abilities with power points and does not pay any XP cost associated with manifesting the power the ability duplicates.

Whoa.
I believe this is a case of specific overriding general - that is, you get the SLA stuff, but not the more general "avoid power point and XP costs" stuff.
Do, or do not. There is no try XP cost.
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