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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Ragnarok Edition
« Reply #820 on: May 07, 2010, 05:24:27 PM »
Looking for something I can progress with another PrC with it's own list. Chameleon won't work for that, since it specifically doesn't qualify, per it's class ability.
You could qualify with something else.
It's not an arcane casting class though, it can mimic being an arcane caster (or a divine caster, or both, depending) a certain number of times per day, so you can't really advance it, as I recall. Am I incorrect?

Well you can advance the spellcasting gained from the class although it could be argued that its unique nature keeps it from being advanced nothing in the rules explicitly forbid it.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Ragnarok Edition
« Reply #821 on: May 07, 2010, 06:31:04 PM »
Q190 I'm building a Psy War using the Soulbound weapon variant and starting at level 1. I wish to have my special weapon be of a special material (such as glassteel, mithril, crystal, etc) or crafted specially by a race (Dwarven craft, Gith craft, etc). Can this be done, or will I be stuck with the cheap weapon I choose at level 1 being the only weapon I can summon? What if I select a weapon that I can't afford by W.B.L?

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Ragnarok Edition
« Reply #822 on: May 07, 2010, 07:06:56 PM »
Looking for something I can progress with another PrC with it's own list. Chameleon won't work for that, since it specifically doesn't qualify, per it's class ability.
You could qualify with something else.
It's not an arcane casting class though, it can mimic being an arcane caster (or a divine caster, or both, depending) a certain number of times per day, so you can't really advance it, as I recall. Am I incorrect?

Well you can advance the spellcasting gained from the class although it could be argued that its unique nature keeps it from being advanced nothing in the rules explicitly forbid it.
I would rather actually take the levels in chameleon.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Ragnarok Edition
« Reply #823 on: May 07, 2010, 07:33:15 PM »
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Ragnarok Edition
« Reply #824 on: May 08, 2010, 12:38:32 AM »
Q 190a Is it just my imagination or is practically every variant version of the human race better than the original PHB version?

Q 190b The Silverbrow Human. I'm reading it, but not quite getting exactly what it says. It's stating that you get everything that a base human gets, and more, minus bonus skill points. Okay, but which skill points? The +1 each level? The +4 you get at 1st? Or both?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Ragnarok Edition
« Reply #825 on: May 08, 2010, 12:43:19 AM »
Q 190a Is it just my imagination or is practically every variant version of the human race better than the original PHB version?

Q 190b The Silverbrow Human. I'm reading it, but not quite getting exactly what it says. It's stating that you get everything that a base human gets, and more, minus bonus skill points. Okay, but which skill points? The +1 each level? The +4 you get at 1st? Or both?

A190a: Some builds are really in need of extra skill points so PHB human can be better, like binders or sorcerers.
A190b: You lose all bonus skill points with that variant.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Ragnarok Edition
« Reply #826 on: May 08, 2010, 12:44:58 AM »
A190a: Some builds are really in need of extra skill points so PHB human can be better, like binders or sorcerers.
A190b: You lose all bonus skill points with that variant.
Yes, but most of those variant human builds give you those extra skill points. They just usually choose your bonus feat for you. So if you can optimize with that, you're golden.
Okay, so you would therefore lose the +4 at 1st AND the +1 per level after that???
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Ragnarok Edition
« Reply #827 on: May 08, 2010, 03:19:42 AM »
Q 191 Is there any particular reason why Winter's Champion requires you to be a 1st level paladin when you don't even gain spells until 4th?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Ragnarok Edition
« Reply #828 on: May 08, 2010, 03:20:55 AM »
Q 191 Is there any particular reason why Winter's Champion requires you to be a 1st level paladin when you don't even gain spells until 4th?

Using Wands with those spells?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Ragnarok Edition
« Reply #829 on: May 08, 2010, 03:22:01 AM »
Q 191 Is there any particular reason why Winter's Champion requires you to be a 1st level paladin when you don't even gain spells until 4th?

Using Wands with those spells?
I suppose. But you shouldn't be limited to being first level though.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Ragnarok Edition
« Reply #830 on: May 08, 2010, 03:28:25 AM »
Q 190b Okay, but which skill points? The +1 each level? The +4 you get at 1st? Or both?

190b

Humans just get a +1 skill point per level.
Imagine this as +2 int for the purpose of skills.

At first level, you get [Base Skills + Intelligence Modifier] x4.
That's the whole point of the 4 extra skill points at lv.1.

If you don't get the bonus skill points to begin with, you don't get the multiplier.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Ragnarok Edition
« Reply #831 on: May 08, 2010, 03:29:40 AM »
They don't want people cheesing the entry, so they just say "you gots to have paladin levels".
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Ragnarok Edition
« Reply #832 on: May 08, 2010, 03:29:58 AM »
Q 190b Okay, but which skill points? The +1 each level? The +4 you get at 1st? Or both?

Humans just get a +1 skill point per level.
Imagine this as +2 int for the purpose of skills.

At first level, you get [Base Skills + Intelligence Modifier] x4.
That's the whole point of the 4 extra skill points at lv.1.

If you don't get the bonus skill points to begin with, you don't get the multiplier.
Nooo, I don't think so. If that was the case you'd never take Silverbrow Human in a million years.

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They don't want people cheesing the entry, so they just say "you gots to have paladin levels".
They don't say that though. They say you have to be Paladin 1. Not that you have to have paladin levels. I'd totally accept the latter.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Ragnarok Edition
« Reply #833 on: May 08, 2010, 03:53:05 AM »
You lose the bonus skill points with Silverbrow.  This includes the 4 extra at 1st and the 1 extra beyond that.

That said, the Dragonblood subtype and spell-like ability (and resulting caster level) are more useful for some builds than the skill points.  Sorcerers are generally better off with Silverbrow over normal humans due to the Dragonblood benefits on some spells and feats.

Azurin trade the bonus skill points for 1 point of essentia and a limited favored class (Soulborn instead of Any).

Karsites don't lose the bonus feat or skill points, get +2 Con and Cha, spell resistance, spell healing, and magic item suppressing touch attacks.  They lose the ability to cast spells and gain LA+2.  Still, there are times when they're a good choice.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Ragnarok Edition
« Reply #834 on: May 08, 2010, 03:55:37 AM »
You lose the bonus skill points with Silverbrow.  This includes the 4 extra at 1st and the 1 extra beyond that.

That said, the Dragonblood subtype and spell-like ability (and resulting caster level) are more useful for some builds than the skill points.  Sorcerers are generally better off with Silverbrow over normal humans due to the Dragonblood benefits on some spells and feats.
Okay, this I can see.

That's true, but some characters who have classes that give them heavy armor can benefit from the dragonblood as well. It was interesting to see that you could switch off the armor, and get dragonscales instead. Granted it takes 8 hours to grow them, and 10 mins to shed, but still.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Ragnarok Edition
« Reply #835 on: May 08, 2010, 04:30:44 AM »
They don't want people cheesing the entry, so they just say "you gots to have paladin levels".
They don't say that though. They say you have to be Paladin 1. Not that you have to have paladin levels. I'd totally accept the latter.
Are you also under the impression that you can't take power attack if your strength is 14?  Prerequisites are minimums not maximums. 

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Ragnarok Edition
« Reply #836 on: May 08, 2010, 04:37:54 AM »
q192:Are chains made of stronger material ever an official option?
192b:How would you recommend restraining a dragon?

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Ragnarok Edition
« Reply #837 on: May 08, 2010, 04:39:52 AM »
They don't want people cheesing the entry, so they just say "you gots to have paladin levels".
They don't say that though. They say you have to be Paladin 1. Not that you have to have paladin levels. I'd totally accept the latter.
Are you also under the impression that you can't take power attack if your strength is 14?  Prerequisites are minimums not maximums. 
Now why would I think that? It CLEARLY stats STR 13. Which means that you're minimum is 13, but you can have it any higher. But what if I was? I wouldn't be the first DM to go "Oh, but it doesn't say 13+ so therefore..." I've dealt with them before. And no, if it says you have to take it at first, you take it at 1st. Unless you house rule it. Hence why it says "1st level only". And that's what you get used to seeing. You see class 1st, and "1st level only" enough times, it automatically makes your brain think "This must be one of those feats too".
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Ragnarok Edition
« Reply #838 on: May 08, 2010, 04:54:24 AM »
q192:Are chains made of stronger material ever an official option?
192b:How would you recommend restraining a dragon?
192a: Yes
193b: Huge amounts of non-lethal damage.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Ragnarok Edition
« Reply #839 on: May 08, 2010, 05:06:17 AM »
Q194? If I have a Dungeon Crasher using Leap Attack, does the Leap attack's bonus to Power Attack stack for Knockback purposes (so I could have something like PAx4 on a bull rush)?