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Terribly Low Scores
« on: April 18, 2010, 06:58:37 PM »
We're starting a new game after our last game ended.  The people I play with are not competent enough to make a character that can last past 8th level. (One of the people playing was actually a kender druid 4/swashbuckler 4 (It's as bad as it sounds; I even offered to help him try to maximize it but he told me know's what he's doing))

For the new adventurer I rolled: 4, 5, 8, 10, 10, 13.  I have decided to play the character because I know eventually I'll just end up better than everyone anyway and I don't want to hog the show like last time (abrupt Jaunt Phaethon Conjurer/Master Specialist). 

So ask yourself; "Is this what you would do with those stats?"

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Male human druid 1
NG medium humanoid (human)
hp 8 (1d8)
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Languages: Common, Druidic
Init -3; Senses Listen +1, Spot +1
AC 7 (-3 Dex), touch 7, flat-footed 7
Current Armor Check Penalty: 0 naked
Fort +2, Ref -3, Will +3
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Spd 30 feet
Melee Dagger -3 (1d4-3/19-20)
Ranged Dagger -3 (1d4-3/19-20)
Base attack +0; Grapple -3
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Spells Prepared (Caster Level 1st):
0th - Detect Magic, Cure Minor Wounds, Cure Minor Wounds
1st - Lesser Vigor, Lesser Vigor
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Abilities Str 4, Dex 5, Con 10, Int 10, Wis 13, Cha 8
Feats: Spell Focus (Conjuration), Augment Summoning
Skills: Concentration +4, Handle Animal +3, Knowledge (Nature) +6, Spellcraft +4, Survival +7
Possessions: Backpack, Winter Blanket, Waterskin, Traveler's Outfit, Spell Component Pouch, Flint and Steel, Torch, Dagger
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Re: Terribly Low Scores
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2010, 07:02:13 PM »
i would suggest either one of these:

Anthropomorphic Bat Druidic Avenger(Whirling Frenzy variant) ... focus on Archery

or

some small Race(could use Anthropomorphic Bat) + Warlock


actually it would be better to simply use a race without racial penalties to stats ...... and a Spellcaster seems like the way to go.... preferably small with Flight, since you never want to ever get in Melee combat
 
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Re: Terribly Low Scores
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2010, 07:06:33 PM »
You should be looking towards classes that are single ability dependent or not dependent on any at all (the warlock and dragonfire adept come to mind quickly).

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Re: Terribly Low Scores
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2010, 07:10:58 PM »
Hengeyokai don't have to worry about their physical stats, except for HP. And both the Breath Weapon (Su) and Eldritch Blast function in alternate form.

re: "Is this what would do with those stats?": dunno; never played a Druid. HP significance questionable (as vulnerability). I recommend dumping Cha and stuffing Strength. Putting the 10 in Dex rather than Int for AC.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2010, 07:17:22 PM by NiteCyper »
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Re: Terribly Low Scores
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2010, 07:11:19 PM »
Druid. Show him how the class is meant to be played.

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Re: Terribly Low Scores
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2010, 07:16:02 PM »
Strongly suggest DFA/Warlock. They're better than SAD, they're... No Ability Dependent. Other be careful on carrying capacity on that druid. I doubt he can carry all that.

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Re: Terribly Low Scores
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2010, 07:17:42 PM »
funny you mention the carrying capacity.  The gold pieces is what puts me over...  I was thinking of having the dog carry everything.

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Re: Terribly Low Scores
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2010, 10:25:33 PM »
I think that I might possibly get in to MoMF as soon as possible.  I know that it's not "optimal", by normal standards, but:
- you'll want to stay in wild shape as much as possible,
- you're not going to be able to get 9th-level spells without wishes/tomes
Better to play to "strengths", as opposed to being all out in the open.

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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2010, 10:43:03 PM »
Dragonborn lesser ooze paragenasi meldshaper.

A +6 to con will get you far.
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Re: Terribly Low Scores
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2010, 10:44:20 PM »
I think that I might possibly get in to MoMF as soon as possible.  I know that it's not "optimal", by normal standards, but:
- you'll want to stay in wild shape as much as possible,
- you're not going to be able to get 9th-level spells without wishes/tomes
Better to play to "strengths", as opposed to being all out in the open.

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Why can't I get 9th level spells with Periapt of Wisdom +x?  All I need is a wisdom of 19 before level 17 right?

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Re: Terribly Low Scores
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2010, 11:00:12 PM »
As soon as I saw your feats, I thought to myself, "yes, this is exactly what I would do." Assuming you can't play a Conjurer or Focused Conjurer with the UA variants, a summon-focused Druid is probably the best way to play a character without heavy reliance on one's own stats (of course, I might be wrong on Conjurer being better than Druid -- as much as I want to, I've never played a summon-focused build before :().

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Re: Terribly Low Scores
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2010, 11:31:36 PM »
Hopefully you'll get boosts to wisdom soon-ish.

You may want to look into a high wisdom race in case your DM is stingy with the magical items.
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Re: Terribly Low Scores
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2010, 12:15:04 AM »
Hopefully you'll get boosts to wisdom soon-ish.

You may want to look into a high wisdom race in case your DM is stingy with the magical items.
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Re: Terribly Low Scores
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2010, 11:58:19 AM »
I think that I might possibly get in to MoMF as soon as possible.  I know that it's not "optimal", by normal standards, but:
- you'll want to stay in wild shape as much as possible,
- you're not going to be able to get 9th-level spells without wishes/tomes
Better to play to "strengths", as opposed to being all out in the open.

:twocents:

Why can't I get 9th level spells with Periapt of Wisdom +x?  All I need is a wisdom of 19 before level 17 right?
good point -- never mind.

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Re: Terribly Low Scores
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2010, 12:24:55 PM »
I condend that Ashbound is much more useful at level one than Augment Summoning. Double duration is gravy, and +3 to attack is super-gravy at that level.


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Re: Terribly Low Scores
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2010, 12:54:10 PM »
funny you mention the carrying capacity.  The gold pieces is what puts me over...  I was thinking of having the dog carry everything.
Do this. And then change your race to dragonborn gnome. +4 to con, -2 to Str and Dex.
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Re: Terribly Low Scores
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2010, 01:01:39 PM »
I would recommend a Dragonborn Buomann for a net modifier of +2 wisdom +2 con -2 cha -2 dex.

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Re: Terribly Low Scores
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2010, 02:33:53 PM »
Dragonborn Lesser Aasimar -2 dex +2 con +2 wis +2 cha, druid of course :p
15 wis with +stats will net you 9th level spells on time.
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Re: Terribly Low Scores
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2010, 03:16:51 PM »
Dragonborn water orc: +4 str, +4 con, -2 dex, -2 int, -2 wis, -2 cha

Str 17 (13 + 4)
Dex 8 (10 - 2)
Con 14 (10 + 4)
Int 3 (4 -2 but int has to be a minimum of 3)
Wis 3 (5 -2)
Cha 6 (8 - 2)

Take endurance and steadfast determination as your first 2 feats so your low wis score is a non-factor. Now you have the makings of a decent bruiser, probably a whirling frenzy lion totem/wolf totem barbarian.

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Re: Terribly Low Scores
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2010, 03:28:01 PM »
Dragonborn water orc: +4 str, +4 con, -2 dex, -2 int, -2 wis, -2 cha

Str 17 (13 + 4)
Dex 8 (10 - 2)
Con 14 (10 + 4)
Int 3 (4 -2 but int has to be a minimum of 3)
Wis 3 (5 -2)
Cha 6 (8 - 2)

Take endurance and steadfast determination as your first 2 feats so your low wis score is a non-factor. Now you have the makings of a decent bruiser, probably a whirling frenzy lion totem/wolf totem barbarian.

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