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So I ran into a campaign with a DM that cited this book by name. It's from Mongoose Publishing, and it has literally a ton of feats. (Read: if each feat weight 1 kilogram, you'd get a ton.) Just scouring through the arcane feat section (the feats are all categorized according to which archetype they're appropriate to) I practically had an evilgasm. Couple of notables:

Bloodburn: take Xd6 damage, raise your CL by X. Limit is up to your charisma modifier (and requires you to cast spontaneously too, so obviously a sorcerer feat). Keep in mind the feat doesn't reference temporary augmentation as being a no-no.

Bloodcasting: gain a daily spell slot up to the highest level you can cast, take 1d4 Con damage. Hello Naberius dip, how do you do? I'm fine, thank you. And now you have infinite spell slots without going Tainted Scholar or such things. Alternatively, be undead.

Known Spells Focus: Gain bonus spells as spells known. Yours is the charisma that shall pierce the heavens and learn you a freaking ton of spells!

So who else wants to help me devise deliciously broken manners to pulverize what's already torn apart?  :D
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Re: Breaking open what's already in shambles: the Book of Ultimate Feats
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2010, 04:02:32 PM »
So I ran into a campaign with a DM that cited this book by name. It's from Mongoose Publishing, and it has literally a ton of feats. (Read: if each feat weight 1 kilogram, you'd get a ton.) Just scouring through the arcane feat section (the feats are all categorized according to which archetype they're appropriate to) I practically had an evilgasm. Couple of notables:

Bloodburn: take Xd6 damage, raise your CL by X. Limit is up to your charisma modifier (and requires you to cast spontaneously too, so obviously a sorcerer feat). Keep in mind the feat doesn't reference temporary augmentation as being a no-no.

Bloodcasting: gain a daily spell slot up to the highest level you can cast, take 1d4 Con damage. Hello Naberius dip, how do you do? I'm fine, thank you. And now you have infinite spell slots without going Tainted Scholar or such things. Alternatively, be undead.

Known Spells Focus: Gain bonus spells as spells known. Yours is the charisma that shall pierce the heavens and learn you a freaking ton of spells!

So who else wants to help me devise deliciously broken manners to pulverize what's already torn apart?  :D
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Re: Breaking open what's already in shambles: the Book of Ultimate Feats
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2010, 04:44:27 PM »
Do you think you could post the entire entry for Bloodcasting? Requirements in particular, as I'd like to try using it on a Cleric.

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Re: Breaking open what's already in shambles: the Book of Ultimate Feats
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2010, 04:51:04 PM »
seems to me bloodcasting lets you do the earthspell/sanctum spell spell level shuffle gain really easily.

earth spell: casting 10ths.
bloodcasting: gain 10th level slot.
earth spell: casting 11's.
bloodcasting: gain an 11th level spell slot.

ect ect.

naberius makes this far too easy.
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Re: Breaking open what's already in shambles: the Book of Ultimate Feats
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2010, 04:51:39 PM »
That book is so terribly balanced.  Doesn't stop me from using something from it, though ;)
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Re: Breaking open what's already in shambles: the Book of Ultimate Feats
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2010, 05:13:34 PM »
Do you think you could post the entire entry for Bloodcasting? Requirements in particular, as I'd like to try using it on a Cleric.

Unless you're going to be a Theurge or willing to sink a few feats into it, I wouldn't recommend it. The feat requires you to cast third level arcane spells.

That's about all it requires though, and the feat itself doesn't SPECIFICALLY mention it only works for arcane spells (though there is a vague mention to wizards).
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Re: Breaking open what's already in shambles: the Book of Ultimate Feats
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2010, 06:36:19 PM »
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Re: Breaking open what's already in shambles: the Book of Ultimate Feats
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2010, 09:54:33 PM »
Any non magical broken feats?
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Re: Breaking open what's already in shambles: the Book of Ultimate Feats
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2010, 10:32:19 PM »
I didn't check that far, I was mostly pondering what was left in the dust.  :lmao
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Re: Breaking open what's already in shambles: the Book of Ultimate Feats
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2010, 04:12:11 AM »
Body shaping (feats of the monstrous section) is a troll-specific feat that lets you grow extra arms that give you extra claw attacks, with no upper limit on the number of extra arms.  

Spell chain (feats of power section) would let you nova like nobodies business.  A human wizard could take the feat 11 times by 20th level and gain the ability to cast 12 standard action spells with a single standard action and 12 swift action spells with a single swift action, at the cost of +2 to the level of each spell cast.  
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Re: Breaking open what's already in shambles: the Book of Ultimate Feats
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2010, 11:48:18 PM »
I normally don't bother trying to optimize 3rd party; I just say "meh, third party" and then laugh at the silly shit they make.  :D
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Re: Breaking open what's already in shambles: the Book of Ultimate Feats
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2010, 11:50:19 PM »
So I ran into a campaign with a DM that cited this book by name. It's from Mongoose Publishing, and it has literally a ton of feats. (Read: if each feat weight 1 kilogram, you'd get a ton.) Just scouring through the arcane feat section (the feats are all categorized according to which archetype they're appropriate to) I practically had an evilgasm. Couple of notables:

Bloodburn: take Xd6 damage, raise your CL by X. Limit is up to your charisma modifier (and requires you to cast spontaneously too, so obviously a sorcerer feat). Keep in mind the feat doesn't reference temporary augmentation as being a no-no.

Bloodcasting: gain a daily spell slot up to the highest level you can cast, take 1d4 Con damage. Hello Naberius dip, how do you do? I'm fine, thank you. And now you have infinite spell slots without going Tainted Scholar or such things. Alternatively, be undead.

Known Spells Focus: Gain bonus spells as spells known. Yours is the charisma that shall pierce the heavens and learn you a freaking ton of spells!

So who else wants to help me devise deliciously broken manners to pulverize what's already torn apart?  :D
I normally don't bother trying to optimize 3rd party; I just say "meh, third party" and then laugh at the silly shit they make.  :D
Mongoose is also a particularly bad source.
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Re: Breaking open what's already in shambles: the Book of Ultimate Feats
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2010, 01:29:07 AM »
Wasn't this the book with the joke feat section in the back? I remember showing it to a friend of mine. He got a kick out of the "Bonus Feat" feat. Of course, you could select Bonus Feat as your bonus feat, and repeat ad nauseum.

And then, once you have Bonus Feat as a feat about 100 times, you start embracing and shunning the dark chaos.

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Re: Breaking open what's already in shambles: the Book of Ultimate Feats
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2010, 01:40:56 AM »
Wasn't this the book with the joke feat section in the back? I remember showing it to a friend of mine. He got a kick out of the "Bonus Feat" feat. Of course, you could select Bonus Feat as your bonus feat, and repeat ad nauseum.

And then, once you have Bonus Feat as a feat about 100 times, you start embracing and shunning the dark chaos.
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Re: Breaking open what's already in shambles: the Book of Ultimate Feats
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2010, 03:32:13 AM »
Wasn't this the book with the joke feat section in the back? I remember showing it to a friend of mine. He got a kick out of the "Bonus Feat" feat. Of course, you could select Bonus Feat as your bonus feat, and repeat ad nauseum.

And then, once you have Bonus Feat as a feat about 100 times, you start embracing and shunning the dark chaos.
Lol. That deserves a special mention. Infinite feats
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Re: Breaking open what's already in shambles: the Book of Ultimate Feats
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2010, 05:08:05 AM »
Spell Level Combination
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Lasting Spell

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Yeah, I always loved to fire up a Lasting Spell with Divine metamagic and the Dweomer Keepers supernatural spell.  End up with every buff up all the time, only an antimagic field can take it down.

Bloodcasting also works well if you are a cleric or have access to heal on your list.  Just sac con to cast a free heal to restore con.  I have used this in combination with spell chain, which is really funny with chain dispell and of course orbs of force.

There are some nice early entry feats in that book as well.  I don't remeber the names off hand, but there is one feat that increases your skill rank cap by 1 for all skills and another that increases the cap by 2 for one skill.  If you are human and have access to flaws, it allows for some really early PrC entry.  You might even be able to retrain it later after you no longer need the feats.

Edit: Oh, and I forgot the psionic love.  They have Persistent Power for +8 points.  A little expensive, but even more powerful than persistent spell since there are a ton of personal psionic powers.  With over channel and other tricks, not to hard to apply to those nice 1 round armor powers.
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Re: Breaking open what's already in shambles: the Book of Ultimate Feats
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2010, 06:13:53 PM »
Wait, is this bonus feat feat a fighter bonus feat? Because if it is, it goes from silliness to awesomeness.
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Re: Breaking open what's already in shambles: the Book of Ultimate Feats
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2010, 02:16:27 AM »
Wasn't this the book with the joke feat section in the back? I remember showing it to a friend of mine. He got a kick out of the "Bonus Feat" feat. Of course, you could select Bonus Feat as your bonus feat, and repeat ad nauseum.

And then, once you have Bonus Feat as a feat about 100 times, you start embracing and shunning the dark chaos.

Would PHB2 retraining be applicable here?

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Re: Breaking open what's already in shambles: the Book of Ultimate Feats
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2010, 02:50:46 AM »
Any non magical broken feats?

Furious Strength allows you to forgo the standard benefit of rage and gain a +20 to strength for one action that can last no longer than a minute, the only pre-req is having rage as a class ability.

Monster Slayer doubles your Power Attack bonus when using it against creatures larger than you.
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Re: Breaking open what's already in shambles: the Book of Ultimate Feats
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2010, 04:18:34 PM »
Any interesing ideas for Artificer with Creade Wondrous Creature? How it affects retain essence  :D?
Craft Magic Tattoo also sounds pretty funny. Still, you probably cant apply any metamagic to it after crafting, eh?

Monster Slayer doubles your Power Attack bonus when using it against creatures larger than you.

I see stupid synergy potentials here with Halfling Ubermount Chargers and Gnome Giant Slayer types...  :o
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