Taking Draconic Heritage multiple times? (Rules question)

[Phoenix00]

I was thinking of a bard build and dragonfire inspiration, and was wondering what rules if any prevent you from taking draconic heritage multiple times?

Normally it wouldn't matter for either of these two reasons
A)  A feat does X when you take it, and getting X again doesn't benefit you anymore.  For example who needs two power attacks
B)  A feat provides a bonus (such as ability focus), and unless the feat says it stacks with itself while you can take it again you can only benefit from the same source 1 for it is a typed bonus listed as "feat X"

But what is stopping from a human sorcerer with flaws at level 1 taking Draconic heritage
Battle (Sonic, NG),
Copper (Acid, CG),
Bronze (Electricity, LG),
Silver (Cold, LG),

and at level 3 taking Draconic Heritage for the 5th time and taking
Brass (Fire, CG)

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Now each Dragonfire Inpsiration is its own elemental effect, the effect are different thus they stack.  So gain the ability to sing more than two songs at once (several prestige classes or the two feats in the Dragon Magazines) and you can do two songs per standard action.

Polymorph into a Choker with the Assume Supernatural Ability Feat or Metamorphic Transfer and you have two standard actions per round.

Use a belt of battle to make a swift action into a standard actions and now you have six standard actions per round.

Allowing you to cast all 5 elemental versions of Dragonfire Inspiration as well as the standard form.

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So any rules stopping this?

[snakeman830]

Yes, there are.  You can't select a feat more than once unless the feat says you can do so.  Draconic Heritage lacks that key phrase.

[Phoenix00]

Yes, there are.  You can't select a feat more than once unless the feat says you can do so.  Draconic Heritage lacks that key phrase.

Source please, I am not seeing it in the PHB where that is said.  So if it is a different source please list.

[PhaedrusXY]

Yes, there are.  You can't select a feat more than once unless the feat says you can do so.  Draconic Heritage lacks that key phrase.

Source please, I am not seeing it in the PHB where that is said.  So if it is a different source please list.

I don't remember where it is explicitly stated at, but he's right. Every feat that you can take multiple times states so in its description.

[Phoenix00]

I don't remember where it is explicitly stated at, but he's right. Every feat that you can take multiple times states so in its description.

In reality or in practicality, that is why I am asking for a source and this thread says rule question in the title.

I understand most feats can't be taking twice for practicality reasons due to part A and B I listed (it won't give you any benefit taking it more than once, or a feat provides a bonus and the bonus doesn't stack with itself).  

But I am asking if it flat out says somewhere you can't take a feat more than once, for if it doesn't than this is a situation where reality and practicality would be different.  You can get different "benefits" from Draconic Heritage, you can choose different dragon origins.  Only thing stopping it is a flat out rule saying you can't take a feat more than once.

Thus this thread.

[PhaedrusXY]

Did you check the main D&D FAQ? I know you can't. I just don't remember where it says this. And I don't care enough to look for it.

[Phoenix00]

Skimming pages 37 to 48 of the 3.5 FAQ I don't see anything that directly relates.

[snakeman830]

The fact is, every feat you can take multiple times, EVERY FEAT that you can, specifically says so.  That you cannot normally take the same feat more than once is clearly implied by this, even if we don't find a specific quote from a book.  Draconic Heritage doesn't say you can take it more than once, so you can't.

[The_Mad_Linguist]

I think that's one of the rules that isn't OGC.

[Phoenix00]

Found it

Sigh badly written rules (or you can argue badly edited books/badly thought out rules).  It says you can't take a feat than once.  The reasoning you would gain the benefit more than once and that would make it useless for bonuses don't stack.  Well Draconic Heritage is a feat that allows you to choose the benefit, thus the benefits wouldn't stack for you can choose a different benefit, but you can't do it for the page on PHB 89 assumes feats have a static benefit in all cases unless they are written in their descriptions

[Nachofan99]

Doesn't Draconic Heritage itself prohibit getting it again?

It says you choose one kind of dragon and that is your heritage dragon.

Choose ONE kind.  Not Two.  Not Three.  Choose ONE.

IT CANNOT BE CHANGED unless you undergo the rite of Draconic Affinity.

AFAICT, the feat itself provides the answer.  Maybe I'm reading it wrong.  I'm not proclaiming my perfectness in rules reading, but this *seems* plenty clear.

[wotmaniac]

Found it

Benefit: What the feat enables the character (“you” in the feat description) to do. If a character has the same feat more than once, its benefits do not stack unless indicated otherwise in the description. In general, having a feat twice is the same as having it once

Sigh badly written rules (or you can argue badly edited books/badly thought out rules).  It says you can't take a feat than once.  The reasoning you would gain the benefit more than once and that would make it useless for bonuses don't stack.  Well Draconic Heritage is a feat that allows you to choose the benefit, thus the benefits wouldn't stack for you can choose a different benefit, but you can't do it for the page on PHB 89 assumes feats have a static benefit in all cases unless they are written in their descriptions

It's fairly clear that you don't get any extra benefit unless the feat explicitly says so.  Which means that taking Draconic Heritage multiple time gets you no further benefit.

Besides, let's look at this from a functionality standpoint:
if you were to have so many different types of dragons in your genealogy, all of which battling to present themselves in your phenotype, then you probably wouldn't have any thing that could be linked to any specific kind of dragon -- i.e., you'd be a mutt.

Doesn't Draconic Heritage itself prohibit getting it again?

It says you choose one kind of dragon and that is your heritage dragon.

Choose ONE kind.  Not Two.  Not Three.  Choose ONE.

IT CANNOT BE CHANGED unless you undergo the rite of Draconic Affinity.

AFAICT, the feat itself provides the answer.  Maybe I'm reading it wrong.  I'm not proclaiming my perfectness in rules reading, but this *seems* plenty clear.

yeah, the overall description of the feat's text (at the very least) strongly implies that you can only be tied to one kind of dragon.

[Phoenix00]

Draconic Heritage requires Sorcerer level 1, it doesn't say you have to take the feat at 1st level.

[wotmaniac]

Draconic Heritage requires Sorcerer level 1, it doesn't say you have to take the feat at 1st level.

my bad -- you're right.  fixed.

[skydragonknight]

Sure, knock yourself out. No, really, knock yourself out. The only real benefit is yet another class skill. And if the character has the intelligence to put ranks in Spellcraft, Concentration, Knowledge(arcana) and two more skills as a Sorcerer, then he probably should have been a Wizard.

[carnivore]

heres the feat .... key wording is bolded:

Draconic Heritage
Type: Draconic
Source:

You have greater connection with your distant draconic bloodline.

Prerequisite: Sorcerer level 1st
Benefit: Choose one dragon from the Draconic Heritage list below and gain the indicated skill as a class skill. This is your draconic heritage, which cannot be changed once the feat has been taken. Half-dragons must choose the same dragon kind as their dragon parent.
In addition, you gain a bonus on saving throws against sleep and paralysis, as well as spells and abilities with the energy type of your Draconic Heritage. This bonus is equal to the number of draconic feats you have.

 

[SorO_Lost]

If a character has the same feat more than once, its benefits do not stack unless indicated otherwise in the description. In general, having a feat twice is the same as having it once

More underlining. There is the rule. Then there is the in general taking the same feat twice is the same as having it once. Dragonic Heritage is the same as taking Dragonic Heritage, you cannot choose a new type as having the feat twice is the same as having the feat once. Then you can move into Dragonic Heritage for more reasons on why the answer is no.