Outsider Type Questions

[wotmaniac]

Normally the spell doesn't reflect every round, does it? It only reflects X levels, and then it is discharged. So how about you have it just automatically renew. You roll the first time, and lets say you get an 8. After you reflect 8 levels of spells, you just roll again. Sometimes spells will partially get through, but you'll always reflect at least a little bit of every spell that targets you.

that's just the thing -- the template says "permanently protected by a spell turning effect" -- given the mechanics of that spell, what the hell does that even mean?

I think what I described approximates it the best. The creature is always protected by it, even if they get hit with multiple spells per round, but you still roll to see how effective it is.

for each spell, or for each round?

You just reroll immediately any time you're out of levels to reflect.

So let's say Bob the minotaur of legend is getting gang-banged by kobold sorcerers. He rolls 1d4+6, and gets an 8, to start out.

During the first half of round 1, he gets hit with 5 magic missles and then three scorching rays. He reflects all the magic missiles entirely, and one of the scorching rays, leaving him with only 1 spell level left to reflect. The second scorching ray is only half reflected. Then he rerolls, because his Spell Turning is depleted, and gets a 7. He reflects the last Scorching Ray entirely, and has 5 levels left before he has to reroll.

ah, okay -- I get what you're saying now.
that seems like it would be a pain in the ass to track -- almost not worth the effort     -- almost.

[PhaedrusXY]

It seems pretty easy to me... You just keep up with how many levels you can reflect, and subtract those that you do, and reroll when you run out. You don't have to keep track of anything else at all, including how many spells you got hit with, what round anything occured in, etc. It's actually extremely simple. It's just exactly how the spell works, but as if it were automatically recast every time it was depleted.

[CantripN]

I really would play it as having to roll a Spell Turning 1d4+6 vs. every single effect. Otherwise, it's not Permanent, but rather Renewable.

[PhaedrusXY]

I really would play it as having to roll a Spell Turning 1d4+6 vs. every single effect. Otherwise, it's not Permanent, but rather Renewable.

That's actually better than the spell, though. (Even more than having the spell levels reset after being drained, as I suggested.) With the spell, sometimes you only have like 1 or 2 levels left, and something gets through partially. Except with very high level spells, that would never happen with the method you're suggesting.

[Anklebite]

I really would play it as having to roll a Spell Turning 1d4+6 vs. every single effect. Otherwise, it's not Permanent, but rather Renewable.

That's actually better than the spell, though. (Even more than having the spell levels reset after being drained, as I suggested.) With the spell, sometimes you only have like 1 or 2 levels left, and something gets through partially. Except with very high level spells, that would never happen with the method you're suggesting.

seems to me that the intent is that all turnable spells rebound.

the pure RAW might suggest a permanent spell turning, rolled for once.  no mention about refreshing.

[Fluffles]

I'd just roll it once/round.