Fiend of Possession Handbook

[Prime32]

You're probably better off forcing paladins to kill an innocent pregnant woman than you are just possessing people.

[Hijax]

the benefits are nice, but.... 5 la is just way too much to be worth it.

[TheMasaoL]

so after taking a few levels in something to meet the skill and will requirements a Neraphim could go straight for this class with no other tricks?

[Prime32]

so after taking a few levels in something to meet the skill and will requirements a Neraphim could go straight for this class with no other tricks?

Do neraphim have the [Evil] subtype?

[KellKheraptis]

I wonder if my next Black Hat^tm project should be a Beholder Mage FoP...purely mental actions you say?  While full power attacking with an epic weapon?  How's 10 spells sound!

[bearsarebrown]

I wonder if my next Black Hat^tm project should be a Beholder Mage FoP...purely mental actions you say?  While full power attacking with an epic weapon?  How's 10 spells sound!

Sharn can do similar. And Phaerimms from LEoF. Not as strong as Beholder though.

But FUCK I just realized how strong a Dvati Beholder Mage is.

[KellKheraptis]

I wonder if my next Black Hat^tm project should be a Beholder Mage FoP...purely mental actions you say?  While full power attacking with an epic weapon?  How's 10 spells sound!

Sharn can do similar. And Phaerimms from LEoF. Not as strong as Beholder though.

But FUCK I just realized how strong a Dvati Beholder Mage is.

FoP Beholder Mage Dvati who summons and possesses two Chronotyryns   Quadratic action abuse, yay!  Throw in some psionics, watch the DM start winging books!

[Agita]

I wonder if my next Black Hat^tm project should be a Beholder Mage FoP...purely mental actions you say?  While full power attacking with an epic weapon?  How's 10 spells sound!

Sharn can do similar. And Phaerimms from LEoF. Not as strong as Beholder though.

But FUCK I just realized how strong a Dvati Beholder Mage is.

FoP Beholder Mage Dvati who summons and possesses two Chronotyryns   Quadratic action abuse, yay!  Throw in some psionics, watch the DM start winging books!

I think you just gave me a headache trying to figure out how many actions that means.

[Widow]

so after taking a few levels in something to meet the skill and will requirements a Neraphim could go straight for this class with no other tricks?

They are outsiders.  You have to use the entry tricks I listed to add the evil subtype.

As for summoning tricks, dragon magazine 302 has additional summoning rules.  You can pretty much summon any outsider and they allow you to add templates to make the creatures outsiders.  Summon up a Pleasure Devil from the fiendish codex 2, page 134.  They have the ability to temporarily take over a creature and take a full round of actions with that creature.  So you possess you meat of choice, summon in pleasure demons with a level 8 or 9 spell, then have the pleasure demons use their possession ability on your meat.  Your possessed target will get his own set of actions and up to 3 more if you summon 3 devils.  And that is only the first round, the following round you can cast a different spell while your meat takes 4 more actions.  I guess it gets worse if you compound it by possessing a Chronotyryns.

The additional summoning rules also make fiendform alot more fun.  I think you can pick devil, demon, or fiendish creature you could turn into with a summon monster level 4 spell.  Still only a CR of 3, but I am sure there is something of interest that could be done.

[Anklebite]

have the pleasure demons use their possession ability on your meat

[Chilastra022]

just out of curiosity, cant you gain the evil subtype if your native plane is an evil-aligned outer plane? For instance a human with the otherworldly feat being born into slavery in the abyss or what not? The way i read it is an outsider born on an evil-aligned outer plane inherits the "Evil" subtype due to its native plane being evil-aligned. I may be wrong, but it seems like you can just get the evil subtype with a little background story and gm approval of course.

Evil Subtype

A subtype usually applied only to outsiders native to the evil-aligned Outer Planes.

-Edit: then again if thats the case youd be able to be banished. Though theres ways around it ;3
-Edit2: in which case you could get into FoP by lvl4.

[Saxony]

Fairly sure one has to be evil to have the [Evil] subtype, too.

[Agita]

Fairly sure one has to be evil to have the [Evil] subtype, too.

There is no such rule at all. However, if you are not evil and have the [Evil] subtype, you are also counted as Evil for spells and effects it amtters for. So if you're LG and have the [Chaotic] and [Evil] subtypes, you'll light up on all Detect Alignment spells and be vulnerable to all Smite Alignment abilities.

[Littha]

In the words of Wizards themselves:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/fc/20050824a

Succubus Paladin

[Anklebite]

In the words of Wizards themselves:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/fc/20050824a

Succubus Paladin

that "fight club" made me want to vomit blood.  once again, wizards proves their ignorance of their own system.

[Littha]

I rather like the succubus paladin idea, besides not every succubus has to be chaotic evil, just like 99.9999999% of them...

[Agita]

The problem being that you always count as being Chaotic Evil in addition to your alignment, so a Succubus Paladin would fall hard enough to split the earth the second she takes a level of Paladin.

[Havok4]

The problem being that you always count as being Chaotic Evil in addition to your alignment, so a Succubus Paladin would fall hard enough to split the earth the second she takes a level of Paladin.

True, it really just does not work by the rules. But that is more  a problem with the paladin code of conduct than anything.

[Agita]

The problem being that you always count as being Chaotic Evil in addition to your alignment, so a Succubus Paladin would fall hard enough to split the earth the second she takes a level of Paladin.

True, it really just does not work by the rules. But that is more  a problem with the paladin code of conduct than anything.

Well, depending on your view of Paladins, it might make more sense than a lot of other stuff. I can definitely see a god or order barring creatures literally made of entropy and Evil with a capital E from becoming Paladins in a world where white and black is at least somewhat distinguishable.

[Littha]

Code of Conduct: A paladin must be of lawful good alignment and loses all class abilities if she ever willingly commits an evil act.
Additionally, a paladin’s code requires that she respect legitimate authority, act with honor (not lying, not cheating, not using poison, and so forth), help those in need (provided they do not use the help for evil or chaotic ends), and punish those who harm or threaten innocents.

It doesn't actually say you cant be evil it just tells you that you have to be lawful good so potentially she wouldn't fall so long as she doesn't do anything evil and remains lawful good.

Any effect that depends on alignment affects a creature with this subtype as if the creature has an evil alignment, no matter what its alignment actually is. The creature also suffers effects according to its actual alignment. A creature with the evil subtype overcomes damage reduction as if its natural weapons and any weapons it wields were evil-aligned (see Damage Reduction, above).

It could also be argued that the paladins code isn't an effect.

So considering the succubus ends up as Chaotic Evil Lawful Good and unless paladin specifially rejected people who were either;
Not Lawful good
or
Evil, chaotic or neutral in any respect
she should be fine.