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Re: Soulbows and combining ranged feats
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2010, 11:25:56 PM »
If you use the +1 equivalent enhancement bonus on the Lucky ability, does that let you reroll every missed attack with a mind arrow once? Each one gets one use per day, but you use a new mind arrow for each attack. It could be quite useful.
That is the case, which is why every single Soulbow I build gets that as alomst a permanant property on their mind arrows.
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Re: Soulbows and combining ranged feats
« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2010, 11:41:19 PM »
If you use the +1 equivalent enhancement bonus on the Lucky ability, does that let you reroll every missed attack with a mind arrow once? Each one gets one use per day, but you use a new mind arrow for each attack. It could be quite useful.
That is the case, which is why every single Soulbow I build gets that as alomst a permanant property on their mind arrows.
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It makes Soulbows a lot more accurate than people realize.
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Re: Soulbows and combining ranged feats
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2010, 02:46:42 AM »
There is no actual bow that manifests just an arrow that gets shot at a target. you can actualy wield things in your off hand there for the size of the bow doesn't matter.

i do happen to be perfectly aware of that point, however...

size does matter, size always matters. in this case, if one reads the fine print, it says that the arrow is manifested as if shot from a long bow. if one was able to use the shape mind blade ability to change the size of the virtual bow, then ones damage should increase or decrease. alternately, if it only changed the size of the arrow (perhaps a more valid interpretation if one was even inclined to allow it) it may not make much of any difference, except visual... which might be made to matter if one is clever.


darn it... now i'll have to reread the lucky mod too. i think my dm would start throwing things at me if i tried it, but oh well. =D
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Re: Soulbows and combining ranged feats
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2010, 05:06:19 AM »
O.O  You have got to be joking!  That can't be correct!  But upon checking the rules for mind arrow enhancements it seems to be accurate.  I totally dismissed it as a viable enhancement.  Now it's #1 on my priority.  I had originally planned human bane or a energy enhancement.

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Re: Soulbows and combining ranged feats
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2010, 03:00:48 AM »
question... lucky seems to only be listed as a melee enhancement... i can see where this could work once-per-day-per-new-manifestation of a thrown mind blade... or maybe i'm just too lazy to go back and reread the thread to see, but how can this be made to apply to mind arrows again?
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Re: Soulbows and combining ranged feats
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2010, 11:15:19 AM »
question... lucky seems to only be listed as a melee enhancement... i can see where this could work once-per-day-per-new-manifestation of a thrown mind blade... or maybe i'm just too lazy to go back and reread the thread to see, but how can this be made to apply to mind arrows again?
Well, there are a couple of reasons.

1. Lucky is not limited in the text to being melee-only.
2. Lucky is on the list of weapon qualities Soulbows can use.
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Re: Soulbows and combining ranged feats
« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2010, 04:00:18 AM »
ahah, found it. in the psionics handbook, it is limited to only melee weapons (at least according to the tables, for what that's worth...) but in the soulbow descriptives, it is explicitly listed as available. thanks!
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Re: Soulbows and combining ranged feats
« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2010, 05:02:13 PM »
ahah, found it. in the psionics handbook, it is limited to only melee weapons (at least according to the tables, for what that's worth...) but in the soulbow descriptives, it is explicitly listed as available. thanks!
Text trumps table and the text has no limiting language.  Lucky ranged weapons have always been legal, they're just not on the random treasure tables.
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Re: Soulbows and combining ranged feats
« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2010, 02:55:12 AM »
so it does... =D thanks again. i'll remember to point that out to the dm if it becomes an issue. my one dm said, "well, it may technically be legal, but there's no way i'd allow that into most of my campaigns..." i haven't put it up to the other one yet... but i already know what he'd say... "sure, go right ahead and do that... (evil grin)" he's of the school of giving players enough rope to hang themselves with.
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Re: Soulbows and combining ranged feats
« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2010, 10:23:55 AM »
One way or another, Soulbows are pretty clearly able to use it.

Now, does anyone have a clue why Returning is on the list?  It's 100% useless for a Soulbow.
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Re: Soulbows and combining ranged feats
« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2010, 12:48:09 PM »
One way or another, Soulbows are pretty clearly able to use it.

Now, does anyone have a clue why Returning is on the list?  It's 100% useless for a Soulbow.

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Re: Soulbows and combining ranged feats
« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2010, 05:24:14 PM »
Is it just me or would bloodstorm blade work really well for a soulknife?

Soulknife/bloodstorm blade with Item Familiar (Mind Blade) could be rather nasty. If you could work soulbow into gestalt, that'd be even better/worse.

One way or another, Soulbows are pretty clearly able to use it.

Now, does anyone have a clue why Returning is on the list?  It's 100% useless for a Soulbow.

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Re: Soulbows and combining ranged feats
« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2010, 05:26:17 PM »
Is the mind blade you shape the same one everytime? If not then Item Familiar would be awkward.

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Re: Soulbows and combining ranged feats
« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2010, 05:27:30 PM »
Is it just me or would bloodstorm blade work really well for a soulknife?

Soulknife/bloodstorm blade with Item Familiar (Mind Blade) could be rather nasty. If you could work soulbow into gestalt, that'd be even better/worse.
You would need Item Familiar (Mau-Jehe).  Item Familiar requires a market value of at least 2,000 gp, which your typical mind blade doesn't have.
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Re: Soulbows and combining ranged feats
« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2010, 05:37:41 PM »
Is the mind blade you shape the same one everytime? If not then Item Familiar would be awkward.
And if it is, then Lucky abuse doesn't work.
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Re: Soulbows and combining ranged feats
« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2010, 05:40:32 PM »
Is the mind blade you shape the same one everytime? If not then Item Familiar would be awkward.
And if it is, then Lucky abuse doesn't work.
Lucky abuse does work on the Soulbow, though, as it explicitly states that it is a new arrow for each attack.  I've never bothered with it on a Mind Blade because I always assumed it was the same one every time.  It may not be, but it's a gray area that I just don't care about.

And as I pointed out, you can't have Item Familiar (Mind Blade) because a Mind Blade has no market value, so it's all a moot point.  Mau-Jehe is a weapon of legacy that fits the criteria, however, and can become your mind blade.  In this case it's pretty clear that it's the same weapon each time you manifest it unless you choose otherwise.
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