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[Hijax]

sudden flash of thought:

the arcane hierophant class allows you to have your animal companion as your familiar. this is interesting because you can share spells with it.

the devoted tracker allows you to have it as your special mount.

The halfling outrider stacks with both paladin and druid levels for the purpose of those class features.

so, strongheart halfling. bonus feat goes into precocious apprentice. there goes the arcane spellcasting prerequisites. druid 3 fixes the divine spellcasting, then we nab paladin 1 for the last skill prereqs, before we go in and get a dip of arcane hierophant. so far we have wizard 1/druid 3/paladin 1/arcane hierophant 1. BaB 3. so, two levels of paladin more. then into halfling outrider for all ten levels. that gets us wizard 1/druid 3/paladin 1/AH 1/paladin +2/HO 10. last two levels go into druid, because having even a little bit of spellcasting is nice.

so, we have:

six levels of druid spellcasting
two levels of wizard spellcasting, and precocious apprentice(ALTER SELF).
the animal companion of a 16th level druid.
which has the abilties of the familiar of a 2th level wizard(SHARE SPELLZ)
and the abilities of a 13th level paladins special mount.
+16 BaB. damn, one short of four iteratives.
we could even use leadership to get something completely weird instead of the standard animal companions.

and if we pick up something with a cool creature type, alter self becomes kinda funny on it.
of course, it has to stay within 5 feet of you, so you're gonna have to fight very close to each other mounted on it like they friggin' intended you to do.

suggestions? thoughts?

[snakeman830]

4th iteritive is gained at +16.  Why do you say it isn't?

[Hijax]

4th iteritive is gained at +16.  Why do you say it isn't?

i though it was at +17.

weird. i have no idea why that would be an even remotely plausible idea.

well, then we get 4 iteratives. woo.

[Havok4]

I personally prefer beast master based ubermounts due to the higher druid and paladin levels you can attain and the possibility of having your friend being a dragon.

[Hijax]

I personally prefer beast master based ubermounts due to the higher druid and paladin levels you can attain and the possibility of having your friend being a dragon.

i'll see if i can work that in, this was just a quick prototype build.

lets crack that box open tomorrow.

[Havok4]

I think plzbreakmycmpan did something like this a while ago. http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142554 But does not get much in the way of special mount goodies.
Maybe you could work out something nice by combining druid, prestige paladin and arcane hierophant along with halfling outrider.

[PhaedrusXY]

I think plzbreakmycmpan did something like this a while ago. http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142554 But does not get much in the way of special mount goodies.
Maybe you could work out something nice by combining druid, prestige paladin and arcane hierophant along with halfling outrider.

Should be possible with that druid variant that gets turn undead. (Something reaper?)

[Havok4]

You do not get that until level 12 unfortunately and it is wild reaper.

[Garryl]

Why do you need the animal companion to count as a familiar as well? Druids' animal companions get Share Spells at 1st level already. Ditto Paladin mounts.

[Fluffles]

Why do you need the animal companion to count as a familiar as well? Druids' animal companions get Share Spells at 1st level already. Ditto Paladin mounts.

HD increase, Nat Armor increase, Int increase, etc...

[Hijax]

Why do you need the animal companion to count as a familiar as well? Druids' animal companions get Share Spells at 1st level already. Ditto Paladin mounts.

wait, they do?

well, fuck me, then.

of course, the stat increases are always nice. and in a wizard/druid focused build, you can also use those familiar buffing spells.

[Endarire]

How do you be Lawful Good for Paladinhood and not for Druidism?

[Akalsaris]

Why do you need the animal companion to count as a familiar as well? Druids' animal companions get Share Spells at 1st level already. Ditto Paladin mounts.

HD increase, Nat Armor increase, Int increase, etc...

No HD increases from familiar, and arcane hierophant's familiar mount excludes the Nat armor bonus (which most people don't notice).  So only int increase and bragging rights.

I've been working on a handbook of sorts for the ubermount, since I love the concept. 

As for suggestions, Companion Spellbound lets you share spells up to 30ft away with an AC, and there's another feat that lets you do it up to a mile away with your familiar.  It's any DM's call if either of those would apply to your familiar-AC-mount though, and I lean towards no.

[Littha]

How do you be Lawful Good for Paladinhood and not for Druidism?

Be neutral good and grab the Lawful subtype using a ritual? Or just come up with a True Neutral paladin variant I suppose. (I always felt the pursuit of balance in TN was a strong enough ideal for this kind of thing...)

[Garryl]

You could use some of those Neutral Paladin variants from Dragon. The only name I remember is Anarch, but I'm pretty sure that there's one for each of CN, LN, NG, NE. They're listed in crystalkeep.

Is it possible to snag the urban companion Druid/Ranger ACF from the Cityscape web enhancement? It's like a familiar, but the creature gets 3/4 your hp instead of half, and there are no penalties for it dying.

Druid 3/Wiz 2/Anarch (Paladin variant) 1/Arc Heirophant 4/Outrider 10

Sanctum Spell for 2nd level spells entry.
Use the ACF from UA to swap wizard's familiar for an animal companion at 1/2 Wiz level.
Cityscape ACF to swap animal companion for urban companion.

11th level paladin mount. (11th-14th bracket)
15th level animal companion. (15th-17th bracket)
7th level familiar benefits. (7th-8th bracket)
4th level druid spells, 3rd level wizard spells.
BaB +17 (Halfling Outrider is full BaB, right?)

AC/Familiar/Mount has 3/4 your HP.
Oh, and Improved Evasion three times. Does that mean it only takes 1/8 damage from a failed Reflex save?

Think it could fit in a few levels of Incarnate or Totemist with Share Soulmelds?


Edit:
Neutral Paladin variants From Dragon 310: Anarch (CN), Enforcer (NE, but gets Leadership instead of mount), Incarnate (True Neutral, but gets and Elemental Minion instead of mount), Sentinel (NG, but gets Celestial Familiar instead of Special Mount)
Dragon 312: Corrupter (NE, but gets Fiendish Familiar instead of Special Mount)

[Havok4]

You need two levels of prestige paladin to get the special mount.

[Hijax]

You need two levels of prestige paladin to get the special mount.

drop a level of wizard for paladin. we're using precocious apprentice anyway.

Oh, and Improved Evasion three times. Does that mean it only takes 1/8 damage from a failed Reflex save?

with the way DnD multiplication work, it would be 1/4, actually.

[Garryl]

Oh, and Improved Evasion three times. Does that mean it only takes 1/8 damage from a failed Reflex save?

with the way DnD multiplication work, it would be 1/4, actually.

Wouldn't that be negative 1/2, then? (1 + (-0.5) +(-0.5) +(-0.5) = -0.5)

[Havok4]

Only if improved evasion stacked. Which could make for a really funny build with a Starmantle cloak.

[Prime32]

You still need Holy Mount, so your levels in divine spellcasting classes stack for special mount abilities. And a level of beastmaster for +3 to your animal companion abilities. And Natural Bond to make up the levels which weren't advancing your AC. Theurgic Bond will then add your levels in classes which advance ACs to your familiar.