[3.5] Clash of the Titans. Recruitment

[Hijax]

Does alignment matter much? Or just looking for party cohesion?

And does anyone know if there is a way to get the Monk fighting styles to work through a weapon instead of the Slam? Would you let a Ki Focus weapon do that? Notably the fighting style that deals 2 Con damage on an ancestral weapon scythe.

hmm.. yeah, they can work through ki focus weapons.

as for alignment, well, no, people of opposite alignment will not like you, but its pretty much everyone for survival, so if you can help each other, they'll probably be willing to let your personal issues pass.

[VennDygrem]

What are you going with for stat generation, by the way? Didn't see a mention of that, though I could've always just missed it.

Ba-bump.

[mans0011]

What are you going with for stat generation, by the way? Didn't see a mention of that, though I could've always just missed it.

Ba-bump.

Ska-doosh, even?!

[Hijax]

What are you going with for stat generation, by the way? Didn't see a mention of that, though I could've always just missed it.

Ba-bump.

no, i forgot about that.

we'll say 38-point buy.

[altpersona]

seems like a pixie could be fun.

pixie summoner/temple defiler/boneblade reaper?

[PhaedrusXY]

Ripping off VennDygrem's character from the RHoD, I think I'm going to go with a:

Marrulurk 3/Fighter 2

Feats: TWF (1), PBS&RS (race), Product of Infernal Dalliance (Demodand?) or Otherworldly (flaw1), Combat Looting (flaw 2), Sniper (3), Blitz (Ftr2) (add BAB to damage, but draw AoO), Fiendish Invisibility (invisible in light) (will take at 6th)

So no variants from Dragon magazine and the like are allowed? These are the ones I'd like, but if they're not allowed, that's fine.
Targetteer Fighter (Dr310 pg38) - Skill changes, Vital Aim - Add Dex mod to damage on ranged attacks
Hit and Run Tactics Fighter (DotU pg58) - Remove Heavy armor and Tower Shield prof., +2 Initiative, Add Dex to damage vs. flat-footed opponents within 30 ft (increased to 60' from Sniper feat).
Unarmed Swordsage (ToB pg20) - Gain unarmed strike as a monk of equal level, lose Light Armor proficiency.

Equipment: Ring of Darkhidden, other

Benefits: 3 attacks per round, Dex+BAB to damage (often twice each) with ranged attacks, very sneaky, great scout



Question: Do we get the Tome version of racial bonus feats, like the marrulurk's Point Blank Shot?

[Hijax]

seems like a pixie could be fun.

pixie summoner/temple defiler/boneblade reaper?

this will be fun.

the unarmed swordsage is allowed, Hit and run tactics fighter is allowed. I dont think i have that issue, can you detail the changes here or refer me to an online source?

[PhaedrusXY]

seems like a pixie could be fun.

pixie summoner/temple defiler/boneblade reaper?

this will be fun.

the unarmed swordsage is allowed, Hit and run tactics fighter is allowed. I dont think i have that issue, can you detail the changes here or refer me to an online source?

Awesome. I'm going to be a death machine. Yeah, I'll get you the details. The main thing is the Dex to damage on ranged attacks.

[bearsarebrown]

If Power Attack is a standard attack option instead of a feat, why do some PrCs have it as a prereq? And what about PrCs with IUS as a prereq? Can the monk's Fatal Strike count as that?

[PhaedrusXY]

Hmm... I see now that those abilities are taken in place of bonus feats, and that in fact that Targetteer variant has an entirely different bonus feat list. So I'm not sure how that's going to work with the Tome fighter, which is itself basically a different class than the PHB fighter.

Do you want to treat them as totally different classes, Hijax? If so, I'd probably go marrulurk 3/Targetteer 1/Tome Fighter 1 (or maybe Swordsage 1, and Tome fighter later). I think I'd have to delay one of my feats, though, as the Tome Fighter doesn't get one at 1st, and I'm taking the Dex to damage ability instead of a feat for Targetteer 1.

Also, how are you interpreting the subtype granted from Product of Infernal Dalliance? Here is a discussion thread on the topic.

If it doesn't grant all the stuff in the "full blown" interpretation discussed there, and evidently advocated by K, then I'd rather take the Otherworldly feat to convert my racial hit dice to Outsider. Would that be ok? I think it is possible via some readings/trickery (I remember seeing a discussion about celestial attended birth, a RP background, or some such thing).

[Prime32]

Declaring interest. Be warned, I just finished watching Shin Mazinger, so I'll find it hard to play anything other than a warforged cleric of Zeus.

[Krika]

Umm, change one of my spheres to Bone. Unlimited zombie armies FTW!

[Hijax]

Hmm... I see now that those abilities are taken in place of bonus feats, and that in fact that Targetteer variant has an entirely different bonus feat list. So I'm not sure how that's going to work with the Tome fighter, which is itself basically a different class than the PHB fighter.

Do you want to treat them as totally different classes, Hijax? If so, I'd probably go marrulurk 3/Targetteer 1/Tome Fighter 1 (or maybe Swordsage 1, and Tome fighter later). I think I'd have to delay one of my feats, though, as the Tome Fighter doesn't get one at 1st, and I'm taking the Dex to damage ability instead of a feat for Targetteer 1.

Also, how are you interpreting the subtype granted from Product of Infernal Dalliance? Here is a discussion thread on the topic.

If it doesn't grant all the stuff in the "full blown" interpretation discussed there, and evidently advocated by K, then I'd rather take the Otherworldly feat to convert my racial hit dice to Outsider. Would that be ok? I think it is possible via some readings/trickery (I remember seeing a discussion about celestial attended birth, a RP background, or some such thing).

i'd probably take the fighter variants as separate classes.

also, use the full blown interpretation.

[PhaedrusXY]

Umm, change one of my spheres to Bone. Unlimited zombie armies FTW!

Make sure to check out the necromantic feats (Feast of Blood, A Feast Unknown, Whispers of the Otherworld, etc). You can get multiple intelligent undead "cohorts" that are all your CR-2.


Current character sheet

[bearsarebrown]

Umm, change one of my spheres to Bone. Unlimited zombie armies FTW!

Must be killed by your SpA is a pretty big restriction. Sadly. But I must say, Tome has a lot of resources for necromancy. A lot of really really good ones.

We using the Races of War guideline of CR+1 = ECL?

Does Master of Many Form's requirements necessitate that Wild Shape be from a class feature? Namely, can I Divine Minion? The argument is that class feature is included to specify what Wild Shape is, and that there was no intent to exclude those who gained it by other means.

[Hijax]

Umm, change one of my spheres to Bone. Unlimited zombie armies FTW!

Must be killed by your SpA is a pretty big restriction. Sadly. But I must say, Tome has a lot of resources for necromancy. A lot of really really good ones.

We using the Races of War guideline of CR+1 = ECL?

Does Master of Many Form's requirements necessitate that Wild Shape be from a class feature? Namely, can I Divine Minion? The argument is that class feature is included to specify what Wild Shape is, and that there was no intent to exclude those who gained it by other means.

[PhaedrusXY]

i'd probably take the fighter variants as separate classes.

also, use the full blown interpretation.

I think I'd still rather have the extra skill points from taking Otherworldly, but it is a hard decision... Any problems with me taking Otherworldly as a marrulurk? It is a regional feat normally, but there are a few (maybe questionable) workarounds.

How are we doing hit points?

[Hijax]

i'd probably take the fighter variants as separate classes.

also, use the full blown interpretation.

I think I'd still rather have the extra skill points from taking Otherworldly, but it is a hard decision... Any problems with me taking Otherworldly as a marrulurk? It is a regional feat normally, but there are a few (maybe questionable) workarounds.

How are we doing hit points?

just take otherworldly, i dont give shit about the regional prereqs(heck, the region in question probably isnt around in the setting)

max hitpoints at each HD.

[Krika]

Yes, but I can use the Animate Dead 1/day, without needing to pay the costs of animating the dead. Then have them hold them down whilst I coup-de-grace them. Yes, the unlimited army has max. 10 HD, but no max CR, and sacrificing the minions can solve many problems.

So all I need to start with is a reasonably full graveyard.

[Hijax]

Yes, but I can use the Animate Dead 1/day, without needing to pay the costs of animating the dead. Then have them hold them down whilst I coup-de-grace them. Yes, the unlimited army has max. 10 HD, but no max CR, and sacrificing the minions can solve many problems.

So all I need to start with is a reasonably full graveyard.

plenty of those around. maybe not right where you start, but finding corpses should be fairly easy.