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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Have At Thee!
« Reply #700 on: March 24, 2010, 09:28:54 PM »
Seriously kevin the best solution for you is to join PbP games and quit playing with these guys. All i ever see is you trying to work around some ridiculous thing the DM is doing. Either the game is fun enough to tolerate it or it isn't. If it isn't tell him his an asshole and leave. It really doesn't matter what any of us tell you on how to get around a problem as the DM is going to just change the way the rules work on you anyway.
Well it's not even for me. I'm doing my best to stay out of their way, and just play the way I can (which is why I mostly go divine so I don't have to worry about components as much). It's what I'm seeing the other players deal with, and they just blindly accept things because they've been with the DM for years with other games, and this is like the second D&D game they've done.

The Friday one is essentially a write-off, but I'm hoping with the Sunday games that I'll be taking over them once we're done.
This may not help your friend much, but the 6th level arcane spell analyze dweomer is basically identify for one object per level per casting (and it does so in a matter of rounds).

It has no material components, but it does have a 1,500g focus.  You can probably convince the entire party to chip in for this by assuring them that their itemless days would be mostly coming to an end.

Or just buy a Artificer's Monocle which costs the same and allows for infinite free identifications with a casting of Detect magic and 5 ranks in knowledge (Arcana). But that is probably to nice for a player in the games run by Kevin's DMs.
Yeah...

Did anyone mention the obscure Detect Magic route yet?
Apparently somewhere in the MiC it says that, on your Spellcraft check to determine the school of magic involved, if you beat the DC by 10 or more you divine the function of the item.

UMD can do it too.  You can identify an item if you beat the Activate Blindly DC by 5.
To try sum up everything, yes the specialist wizard isn't that high yet (I'll have to look at what school that analyze spell is and see what schools are his forbidden ones -- hopefully that's not one of them) since he's also a fighter (going for Eldritch Knight). As for the Monocle, yes it is too good an item for us to have. If it's a magic item, chances are it doesn't exist (unless we take it off of the body of those we face), or it's too expensive and is something we'll never possibly ever be able to afford. This includes the 1500 gp focus item, and we average 5th level. I'm still wearing the chainshirt and using the same masterwork morningstar I started with. The only person with any magic stuff is the monk who's got bracers of armour +1 after we took on a mage and beat it. As I said, the DM's using the NPC wealth table for our PCs.

I have detect magic on my cloistered cleric, but all the DM says is "it glows with magic". I'll have to look into the Activate Blindly thing.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Have At Thee!
« Reply #701 on: March 24, 2010, 09:29:52 PM »
Q167: I see in a few threads people raving about how AWESOME Telekinesis is, so... how awesome is it, and why? Just for the combat maneuvers it offers?
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throwing weapons coated in poison is ridiculous. And if you chain it? You can get 40 Full round attacks or some shit like that. Ask TML.  :p
Basically, if you just want to use telekinesis and no other spells, Master Of The Unseen Hand lets you full attack with BAB=CL for any telekinetic wielded weapon by concentrating on it.  Chain telekinesis gets you up to 21 wielded weapons, which all can make full attacks as a standard action.

You can use this to spam a bunch of low-dc effects like poison or whatever.  Quantity has a quality of its own.

Or just use violent thrust, and hit your opponent with a no-save faerie fire (CSco bug paste), no-save blindness (dust grenades, OA), no-save entanglement (tanglefoot bag), and then twelve colossal weapons of your choice.  

If you have sneak attack damage, violent thrust is also a cool way to get a fifteen times multiplier.
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« Reply #702 on: March 24, 2010, 09:32:39 PM »
A 169:The closest you get is the Scorpion Kama from MIC.  This uses either the kama's damage or your unarmed strike damage, whichever is higher.  It can be enhanced with special abilities to up damage, accuracy, or give some new capability.

As for Analyze Dwemor, it's a Divination spell, which you can't legally give up for specialization.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Have At Thee!
« Reply #703 on: March 24, 2010, 10:35:05 PM »

I have detect magic on my cloistered cleric, but all the DM says is "it glows with magic". I'll have to look into the Activate Blindly thing.

Then he's doing it wrong.  =\

After 3 rounds you get to focus and make a Spellcraft roll vs DC 15 + spell level to determine the school (I.E. bracers of armor is made with mage armor, which would be DC 16 to see "abjuration").  That's right from the PHB, unless he house-ruled the spell to not do that.  Which is silly since half the purpose of detect magic is to "provide clues to help a clever player discover what an item does".
According to MiC pg 217, If you beat this DC by 10 you divine the functions of the item, how to activate it, and how many charges it has left (if it has charges).   Basically what identify does.

UMD is in the same section but it's a little less clear.  It says you get that above information if you beat the activation DC by 5... which by default is an Activate Blindly check if you don't know what the item is to begin with.

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« Reply #704 on: March 25, 2010, 12:04:32 AM »
Q168:
Can you trip someone with a spiked gauntlet?  Or for that matter any weapon that doesn't specify tripping in the description?

In short, what options does a low-level tripping build with a reach weapon have against adjacent foes?

since gauntlet falls under "unarmed strike" in the weapon's section, I assume you can trip with one. for more clarification, look up trip in the combat maneuvers section of the player's handbook.

In a related note can you enchant a gauntlet to improve a monks unarmed strike?

yes, but then you end up using the gauntlet's base damage instead of your own. generally, you do not want that.
Q 169: Are there any weapons that can be used by a monk that add on to, rather than replace, the monk's unarmed damage?

That is what i was thinking about the gauntlets considering:
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This metal glove lets you deal lethal damage rather than nonlethal damage with unarmed strikes. A strike with a gauntlet is otherwise considered an unarmed attack. The cost and weight given are for a single gauntlet. Medium and heavy armors (except breastplate) come with gauntlets.


There was a sage article, or faq with one of the devs that said gauntlet damage was improved by monk damage and they where suprised no one understood that.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Have At Thee!
« Reply #705 on: March 25, 2010, 12:11:01 AM »
After 3 rounds you get to focus and make a Spellcraft roll vs DC 15 + spell level to determine the school (I.E. bracers of armor is made with mage armor, which would be DC 16 to see "abjuration").  That's right from the PHB, unless he house-ruled the spell to not do that.  Which is silly since half the purpose of detect magic is to "provide clues to help a clever player discover what an item does".
He didn't even understand how the bracers work, or why they work for the monk or mage. He just saw it on a sorcerer NPC in the DMG, and used it. Both DMs I have don't know that the bracers are mage armour, and that that's why they don't have armor penalties. It says right in the description what you need to make it.  :banghead
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« Reply #706 on: March 25, 2010, 12:17:07 AM »
After 3 rounds you get to focus and make a Spellcraft roll vs DC 15 + spell level to determine the school (I.E. bracers of armor is made with mage armor, which would be DC 16 to see "abjuration").  That's right from the PHB, unless he house-ruled the spell to not do that.  Which is silly since half the purpose of detect magic is to "provide clues to help a clever player discover what an item does".
He didn't even understand how the bracers work, or why they work for the monk or mage. He just saw it on a sorcerer NPC in the DMG, and used it. Both DMs I have don't know that the bracers are mage armour, and that that's why they don't have armor penalties. It says right in the description what you need to make it.  :banghead

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Have At Thee!
« Reply #707 on: March 25, 2010, 12:36:33 AM »
q170 Can I change Stunning Fist to a different save? Or force anything but Nauseate, Stun, or Paralyze?

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Have At Thee!
« Reply #708 on: March 25, 2010, 12:43:42 AM »
Q171: Is there any way to gain access to the Undeath domain in Eberron?
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« Reply #709 on: March 25, 2010, 12:53:14 AM »
Q171: Is there any way to gain access to the Undeath domain in Eberron?
A171: Cleric of an ideal?
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« Reply #710 on: March 25, 2010, 12:53:59 AM »
suposing i'm a Soulknife ??? / Soul Bow ??? / Order of the bow Initiate 10,  which of the following efects applies to Order of the Bow Initiate's Ranged Precision on the Mind Arrow:

Rapid Shot,
Manyshot,
Two-weapon fighting,
Split Arrow

or none at all?

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« Reply #711 on: March 25, 2010, 01:04:30 AM »
suposing i'm a Soulknife ??? / Soul Bow ??? / Order of the bow Initiate 10,  which of the following efects applies to Order of the Bow Initiate's Ranged Precision on the Mind Arrow:

Rapid Shot,
Manyshot,
Two-weapon fighting,
Split Arrow

or none at all?
Not sure what Split Arrow is, but none of the others can be used with Ranged Precision.  Two-weapon fighting and Rapid Shot both require full attacks while Manyshot requires a standard action.  Unfortunately, Ranged Precision requires a standard action.  It's not compatable.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Have At Thee!
« Reply #712 on: March 25, 2010, 01:05:46 AM »
Q171: Is there any way to gain access to the Undeath domain in Eberron?
A171: Cleric of an ideal?

I'm not very familiar with clerics, but if I'm understanding what you're saying, I don't have to choose a deity and thus I can choose my domains based on my personal belief?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Have At Thee!
« Reply #713 on: March 25, 2010, 01:12:22 AM »
suposing i'm a Soulknife ??? / Soul Bow ??? / Order of the bow Initiate 10,  which of the following efects applies to Order of the Bow Initiate's Ranged Precision on the Mind Arrow:

Rapid Shot,
Manyshot,
Two-weapon fighting,
Split Arrow

or none at all?

The Split Arrow weapon enhancement would work, but your DM would have to let you add it to the Soulbow's list of allowed enhancements.
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« Reply #714 on: March 25, 2010, 03:00:30 AM »
After 3 rounds you get to focus and make a Spellcraft roll vs DC 15 + spell level to determine the school (I.E. bracers of armor is made with mage armor, which would be DC 16 to see "abjuration").  That's right from the PHB, unless he house-ruled the spell to not do that.  Which is silly since half the purpose of detect magic is to "provide clues to help a clever player discover what an item does".
He didn't even understand how the bracers work, or why they work for the monk or mage. He just saw it on a sorcerer NPC in the DMG, and used it. Both DMs I have don't know that the bracers are mage armour, and that that's why they don't have armor penalties. It says right in the description what you need to make it.  :banghead

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« Reply #715 on: March 25, 2010, 03:05:41 AM »
After 3 rounds you get to focus and make a Spellcraft roll vs DC 15 + spell level to determine the school (I.E. bracers of armor is made with mage armor, which would be DC 16 to see "abjuration").  That's right from the PHB, unless he house-ruled the spell to not do that.  Which is silly since half the purpose of detect magic is to "provide clues to help a clever player discover what an item does".
He didn't even understand how the bracers work, or why they work for the monk or mage. He just saw it on a sorcerer NPC in the DMG, and used it. Both DMs I have don't know that the bracers are mage armour, and that that's why they don't have armor penalties. It says right in the description what you need to make it.  :banghead

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Q172: why are these people running games? and how does kevin put up with this level of retardation?
A 172: Because it's all the D&D I get around here (besides online stuff), and I hope to someday take over the Sunday games with my own adventures, and home-brew rules that actually sense (ie I saw them here and agreed with a good portion of them).
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Have At Thee!
« Reply #716 on: March 25, 2010, 03:37:25 AM »
Q167: I see in a few threads people raving about how AWESOME Telekinesis is, so... how awesome is it, and why? Just for the combat maneuvers it offers?
You can attack with 15 oversized weapons at the same time. Assuming we are conservative and just use colossal arrows, that's 3d6x15, or 45d6 damage (using dagger damage, because we're using it as a "melee weapon"). And since they're arrows, you can hit 50 of them at a time with spells like Greater Magic Weapon, Flame Arrow, etc, to boost it even more. Or you can coat them all in poison (made with Minor Creation), etc.

Yes, you have to make an attack roll with each of them, but you use your casting stat to hit, and that also lets you do insane stuff like add Sneak Attack damage on every one of them...


Oh yeah, and you can use it to grapple and stuff, too. (Or Fly, since I don't see anything keeping you from using it on yourself, and voluntarily failing the save).

If 20 normal arrows (medium) are 3lb, and large is doubled to 6, do you double for every size up from that or keep adding +3... SRD only mentions 'large' weapons.

In DnD, you only use DnD math for abstract values. For "real world" things like weight, you don't.

Mass is directly proportional to volume, and volume is proportional to length ^ 3. So the weight should actually multiply by eight each time the length (size category) doubles.

But the DnD designers didn't know physics, and said that weight doubles when size doubles for weapons. But we still use the rule of x2x2=x4 for "real world" things. And x2x2x2=x8 and so on.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Have At Thee!
« Reply #717 on: March 25, 2010, 04:06:57 AM »
Q 173:How does the SCM get shadow miracles out of 4th (or fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, and ninth level slots) rather than being limited to 10th level slots?

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Have At Thee!
« Reply #718 on: March 25, 2010, 12:57:20 PM »
Q 173:How does the SCM get shadow miracles out of 4th (or fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, and ninth level slots) rather than being limited to 10th level slots?
They need to get Silent Image to count as a 10th level spell.  This is easy when using Heighten + Earth Spell as it turns a 9th level slot into a 10th level spell.  Sanctum Spell raises the level by one more if in their sanctum (8th level slot for 10th level spell).  Easy Metamagic (Heighten) reduces the cost to heighten by 1 level (7th level slot)  Versatile Spellcaster lets them trade 2 slots for a slot of one higher level (2 6th level slots).  I know there's more, but that's what I can get.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Have At Thee!
« Reply #719 on: March 25, 2010, 01:11:11 PM »
Q174: Looking for cost effective ways(or if too difficult, any way possible) to conceal alignment. Hat Of Anonymity is out :(
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