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Re: An Evil Team of Four
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2010, 01:08:04 AM »
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Though a bit outside of the traditional "divine caster" role, and with flavor that is the antithesis of evil, I really like Cleric 4 (spell and planning domains)/Ordained Champion 2/Knight of the Crown 1/Knight of the Sword 3/Knight of the Rose 10.  Assuming human with two flaws, I would take dynamic priest, dragontouched, draconic heritage (battle dragon), dragonfire inspiration, words of creation, extend, persistent, and dmm:persistent spell.  Highlights at 20th are +18 BAB, casting of an 18th level cleric (Cha based), inspire courage of a 20th level bard, persistent spell goodness, Cha to saves, and immunity to compulsions.  Quite the team player, and able to fill a ton of different party roles, from buffer to gish/BSF to primary caster.

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Re: An Evil Team of Four
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2010, 01:28:34 AM »
If you're immune to Mind-Affects you cannot get Moral bonuses, correct? That kinda sadly, even though that looks like an amazing build. DFA would be granting around 15d6 Sonic damage, right? That part isn't Morale, so that's pretty neat. But those shines with builds that get a lot of attacks. I guess the Rogue and the BSF do get a lot of attacks though, just in nonstandard ways. Knight of the XXX are all Dragonlance PrCs, correct? Maybe that works better then I thought. What if you stuck 5 Heartfire Fanner in there? You would hit level 30 IC, right? Hmmm...

Cleric 5/KotC 1/KotS 3/KotR10/Heartfire Fanner 1

I think, would grant 26th level bard abilities. Which just hits +5. All the +1 boosters the doubling from refluffed-WoC would hit it with +18 in the end. That's pretty tasty.
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Re: An Evil Team of Four
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2010, 01:43:41 AM »
The immunity to complusions, thankfully, does not make you immune to "harmless" effects, so you should benefit from your own inspire courage.  DFI should cap around 10d6 or 11d6 sonic damage, depending on your equipment.  I actually had your BSF in mind when choosing the build - an extra 11d6 on every attack of opportunity would be quite nice.  I don't think it would be possible to include 5 levels of heartfire fanner, as you need Knight of the Crown 1/Knight of the Sword 3 just to qualify for Knight of the Rose, and 8 levels of Knight of the Rose to get IC to +4.  The Knight PrCs are in the Dragonlance Campaign Setting, and the Dynamic Priest feat is in Dragonlance: Legends of the Twins.  Everything else is pretty easy to find.

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Cleric 5/KotC 1/KotS 3/KotR10/Heartfire Fanner 1

I think, would grant 26th level bard abilities. Which just hits +5. All the +1 boosters the doubling from refluffed-WoC would hit it with +18 in the end. That's pretty tasty.)

A nice idea, but you don't meet the +4 BAB prereq of KotC, nor the +6 BAB prereq of KotS.  You could drop the last two levels of KotR for Heartfire Fanner, but you are going to be really feat-strapped, likely needing to drop the extend/persistent/dmm line to qualify for Heartfire Fanner.  Not worth it, in my opinion.
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Re: An Evil Team of Four
« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2010, 02:02:10 AM »
The issue is that the BSF and the Rogue would need Immunity to Mind-Affects(probably picked up with Elder Evil devotion) to stop enemies from Metaconcert -> Dominate.

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Re: An Evil Team of Four
« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2010, 12:47:31 PM »
How can martial characters gain immunity to compulsions but not Moral bonuses? There has gotta be a spell for that, right?

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Re: An Evil Team of Four
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2010, 08:41:48 PM »
Not sure how I feel about "Other?". Buffs everyone else really well but I don't know which role it truly fills. Seems like it'd be best for a 5th member of the team...

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Re: An Evil Team of Four
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2010, 09:29:56 PM »
Good ol half fey+Phrenic+magic in the blood+whatever 20 is as solid for the bad guys as it is for the good guys.

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Re: An Evil Team of Four
« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2010, 01:17:59 AM »
One evil caster idea would be Warlock 4/ Binder 1/ Ur-Priest 2/ Eldritch Disciple 10/ Hellfire Warlock 3 - Throw in DMM Persist or Quicken, dish it out in combat with Eldritch Glaive + Divine Power, and of course bind the Naberius vestige to offset the Hellfire damage.

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Re: An Evil Team of Four
« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2010, 02:19:11 AM »
So, one fun idea that you possibly try is creating an evil team after the fantastic four. Air, water, fire and earth make for some really cool angles when put together in an insidious grouping.

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Re: An Evil Team of Four
« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2010, 05:08:40 AM »
One evil caster idea would be Warlock 4/ Binder 1/ Ur-Priest 2/ Eldritch Disciple 10/ Hellfire Warlock 3 - Throw in DMM Persist or Quicken, dish it out in combat with Eldritch Glaive + Divine Power, and of course bind the Naberius vestige to offset the Hellfire damage.

sub two levels of eldritch disciple for Legacy champion, advancing hellfire warlock. you wind up with 22d6 hellfire blasts, which you smack down four times a round with eldritch glaive. and divine ninths.
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Re: An Evil Team of Four
« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2010, 05:17:14 AM »
One evil caster idea would be Warlock 4/ Binder 1/ Ur-Priest 2/ Eldritch Disciple 10/ Hellfire Warlock 3 - Throw in DMM Persist or Quicken, dish it out in combat with Eldritch Glaive + Divine Power, and of course bind the Naberius vestige to offset the Hellfire damage.

sub two levels of eldritch disciple for Legacy champion, advancing hellfire warlock. you wind up with 22d6 hellfire blasts, which you smack down four times a round with eldritch glaive. and divine ninths.


If you want to add some versatility to that build another suitable version is a male Human Warlock 4/Binder 1/Chameleon 2/Ur-Priest 2/Eldritch Disciple 8/Hellfire Warlock 3. You still pick up dark invocations and 9th-level divine spells but you can also now focus on attaining the DMM series while being able to craft magical items. Also the build is extremely Naberius flavored, to the point where you may even want to worship him for Ur-Priest.

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Re: An Evil Team of Four
« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2010, 06:33:59 PM »
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Re: An Evil Team of Four
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2010, 07:28:13 PM »
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Re: An Evil Team of Four
« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2010, 12:32:09 AM »
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Spontaneous casting.  Pre-cast buffs with War Weaver.  Metamagic Effect.  Spell-like Ability: time stop to ensure it ain't counterspelled and is always handy, even if you somehow lose your spellbook.

Change things slightly to suit your needs.  Hathran is handy, but requires a feat and points in Diplomacy.  Veil ensures you can't be touched short of massive magic or DM intervention.  More Incantatrix gives you delicious metamagic feats like Quicken, Ocular, Chain, and Persist.

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Cleric4/Crusader1/Ruby Knight Vindicator may be worthwhile, depending on your starting level.  You can share tanking duties.  Your Crusaderhood lets you heal without spell slots, and the feat Touch of Healing lets everyone have at least half HP between battles, time permitting.
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Re: An Evil Team of Four
« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2010, 02:57:57 PM »
Metaphysical Spellshaper 3
source?
Book of Erotic Fantasy, that prestige class apparently has no place in that book. Kell uses it a lot.
Seriosuly, that has to be the most misplaces prestige class ever. i mean, WTF!? Book of fucking erotic fantasy!?

Its an awesome prestige class. take ability damage to apply metamagic effects to your spell. be an anima mage. shape the strongheart vest. be awesome.
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Re: An Evil Team of Four
« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2010, 05:53:44 PM »
Metaphysical Spellshaper 3
source?
Book of Erotic Fantasy, that prestige class apparently has no place in that book. Kell uses it a lot.
Seriosuly, that has to be the most misplaces prestige class ever. i mean, WTF!? Book of fucking erotic fantasy!?

Its an awesome prestige class. take ability damage to apply metamagic effects to your spell. be an anima mage. shape the strongheart vest. be awesome.
isn't it technically 3rd party?
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Re: An Evil Team of Four
« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2010, 06:21:55 PM »
How can martial characters gain immunity to compulsions but not Moral bonuses? There has gotta be a spell for that, right?
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Re: An Evil Team of Four
« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2010, 06:36:18 PM »
How can martial characters gain immunity to compulsions but not Moral bonuses? There has gotta be a spell for that, right?
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