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Re: Elan psion egoist for a game with psionics is different
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2010, 08:38:16 AM »
since you want to be an Egoist .... just use the True Healer Alternate class ability found here:

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20070314a

it will give you access to a single Mantle(Life),.... then take the feats: Tap Mantle(Magic), and Don Mantle(Magic) .... then as KellKheraptis said Transparency is back for you, but everyone else is up the creek

as for Powers.... i would adjust ... will get a list later

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Re: Elan psion egoist for a game with psionics is different
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2010, 08:23:15 PM »
Life mantle with egoist seems rather pointless most of the powers I wanted from it are already part of the discipline. I'll suck it up and leave the magic dispelling to the cleric. Aside from dispel psionics and power resistance what would it effect?

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Re: Elan psion egoist for a game with psionics is different
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2010, 08:48:51 PM »
Have you warned your DM that nontransparency will make your psion considerably more powerful than he otherwise would be? If not, he may write off psionics as being 'broken' when he's the one making it so.

Also, consider a self-buffer. Perhaps a The Big Guy Is With Me build (at least, at or after level 7; otherwise, you may wish to make a ranged/battlefield control build or something). If nobody can dispel your powers, then you ought to make full use of that.
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Re: Elan psion egoist for a game with psionics is different
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2010, 08:53:47 PM »
Have you warned your DM that nontransparency will make your psion considerably more powerful than he otherwise would be?
Clearly the munchkin player is trying to pull a fast one on the almighty DM. He shall be punished for having the sheer, unmitigated gall to ever challenge the holy grail that is the DM's ruling.

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Re: Elan psion egoist for a game with psionics is different
« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2010, 08:55:55 PM »
Have you warned your DM that nontransparency will make your psion considerably more powerful than he otherwise would be? If not, he may write off psionics as being 'broken' when he's the one making it so.
You'll want to double-check on this one.  The number of monsters with Power Resistance is tiny, for example, and the few that have it are spread out pretty thinly over the levels.
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Re: Elan psion egoist for a game with psionics is different
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2010, 09:17:32 PM »
I did tell him that and explained that the system is meant to have magic and psionics effect each other but he insists. I would rather not try and break everything about it. I haven't got to play D&D since 2005, mostly due to travel arrangement and lack of time.

I do not want him to use it. I don't mind cracky characters when I make them for fun but for a real campaign, they aren't cool.

I generally enjoy blaster type character, but I find magic is fair too screwed up right now. Too many spells that all do the same thing. I like the concept of psionics and power points that most of my powers will be useful most of the time. And then can always psychic reform them out to change them through out the levels.

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Re: Elan psion egoist for a game with psionics is different
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2010, 11:49:51 AM »
Well, there's nothing wrong with picking up a couple of Energy powers.  Energy Ray is available from level 1 and is a no save ranged touch attack.  It's also one of like 4 powers that can be affected by Chain Power (why they didn't make it like Chain Spell, I'll never know).
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Re: Elan psion egoist for a game with psionics is different
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2010, 01:05:33 PM »
Life mantle with egoist seems rather pointless most of the powers I wanted from it are already part of the discipline. I'll suck it up and leave the magic dispelling to the cleric. Aside from dispel psionics and power resistance what would it effect?
The point of getting the Life Mantle isn't the Life Mantle itself... it is gaining access to any mantle, which then opens up the feat Tap Mantle, which you can use to gain the Magic Mantle. The Magic Mantle reinstates transparency for you (meaning you can Dispel spells, etc), but all the magic users in the world are still hosed vs. you (as they still can't dispel your powers, etc).
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Re: Elan psion egoist for a game with psionics is different
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2010, 03:14:19 PM »
Well, there's nothing wrong with picking up a couple of Energy powers.  Energy Ray is available from level 1 and is a no save ranged touch attack.  It's also one of like 4 powers that can be affected by Chain Power (why they didn't make it like Chain Spell, I'll never know).
Technically, no you can't use Chain Power on it, since it doesn't actually have a 'Target' line. I do believe the only power in the whole of the XPH that you can actually use it on is energy conversion, since it has a Target line and also affects someone other than yourself.
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Re: Elan psion egoist for a game with psionics is different
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2010, 03:37:27 PM »
Energy Conversion doesn't have a Target line, just a Range line  Actually, I think Dissolving Touch and Dissolving Weapon are the only ones that can be Chained RAW. (deal Acid damage, have a Target line of only one creature).

Although I think anyone would interpret a Ray to only have a single target.
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Re: Elan psion egoist for a game with psionics is different
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2010, 04:12:37 PM »
And chain power isn't like the spell version cause Wizards hates you and wants to punish you :P

Anyhow I am not sure using 3 feats to get transparency is worth it. I'm still hoping to convince my GM to change his mind, but at level 7 I was going to use the metamorphosis fun and crystal shard. Turning into green hags and cloakers and stuff like that. I was going to use Carnivores egoist guide pretty much. A few powers I want even after level 7 such as Psychoportive shelter. I can write out my general level per level idea if you like?


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Re: Elan psion egoist for a game with psionics is different
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2010, 05:38:05 PM »
And chain power isn't like the spell version cause Wizards hates you and wants to punish you :P



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Re: Elan psion egoist for a game with psionics is different
« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2010, 09:25:38 PM »
Energy Conversion doesn't have a Target line, just a Range line  Actually, I think Dissolving Touch and Dissolving Weapon are the only ones that can be Chained RAW. (deal Acid damage, have a Target line of only one creature).

Although I think anyone would interpret a Ray to only have a single target.
Energy conversion inherits the Target line through energy adaptation, and unlike its parent power it can be used on others beyond just yourself.
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Re: Elan psion egoist for a game with psionics is different
« Reply #33 on: February 27, 2010, 01:32:23 AM »
So here is the first 7 levels
         
Level: 1
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Skill points:24

Skills
Concentration 4
Psicraft 4
Knowledge Psionics 4
Craft armorsmithing 4
Craft weaponsmithing 4
Autohyponious 4

Feats
Elan resilience, enhanced
psicrystal affinity

Ability Scores
Str 10
Dex 10
Con 14
Int 18
Wis 14
Cha 10

Powers
Matter Agitation
Vigor

Equipment
light crossbow
bolts x13
blue bathrobe (very soft and fluffy)
pants shoes, shirt
sack
medical supplies
short sword
chain mail
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Level 2                     
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Skill points:30

Skills
Concentration 5
Psicraft 5
Knowledge Psionics 5
Craft armorsmithing 5
Craft weaponsmithing 5
Autohyponious 5

Feats
Elan resilience, enhanced
psicrystal affinity

Ability Scores
Str 10
Dex 10
Con 14
Int 18
Wis 14
Cha 10

Powers
Matter Agitation
Vigor
Grease, psionic
endure elements, psionic

Equipment
light crossbow
bolts x13
blue bathrobe (very soft and fluffy)
pants shoes, shirt
sack
medical supplies
short sword
chain mail

Large Darkwood Shield   36gp
master crafted chain shirt   67gp
Continual flame item 110gp
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Level 3
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Skill points:36

Skills
Concentration 6
Psicraft 6
Knowledge Psionics 6
Craft armorsmithing 6
Craft weaponsmithing 6
Autohyponious 6

Feats
Elan resilience, enhanced
psicrystal affinity
Ek: minor creation

Ability Scores
Str 10
Dex 10
Con 14
Int 18
Wis 14
Cha 10

Powers
Matter Agitation
Vigor
Grease, psionic
endure elements, psionic
Levitate, psionic
Psychoportive Shelter

Equipment
light crossbow
bolts x13
blue bathrobe (very soft and fluffy)
pants shoes, shirt
sack
medical supplies
short sword
chain mail
Large Darkwood Shield   
master crafted chain shirt   
Continual flame item

Handy Havier sack 2000gp
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Level 4
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Skill points:42

Skills
Concentration 7
Psicraft 7
Knowledge Psionics 7
Craft armorsmithing 7
Craft weaponsmithing 7
Autohyponious 7

Feats
Elan resilience, enhanced
psicrystal affinity
Ek: minor creation

Ability Scores
Str 10
Dex 10
Con 14
Int 19
Wis 14
Cha 10

Powers
Matter Agitation
Vigor
Grease, psionic
endure elements, psionic
Levitate, psionic
Psychoportive Shelter
Empathic transfer
Ego whip

Equipment
light crossbow
bolts x13
blue bathrobe (very soft and fluffy)
pants shoes, shirt
sack
medical supplies
short sword
chain mail
Large Darkwood Shield   
master crafted chain shirt   
Continual flame item
Handy Havier sack
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Level 5
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Skill points:48

Skills
Concentration 8
Psicraft 8
Knowledge Psionics 8
Craft armorsmithing 8
Craft weaponsmithing 8
Autohyponious 8

Feats
Elan resilience, enhanced
psicrystal affinity
Ek: minor creation
Ek: Energy Missile

Ability Scores
Str 10
Dex 10
Con 14
Int 19
Wis 14
Cha 10

Powers
Matter Agitation
Vigor
Grease, psionic
endure elements, psionic
Levitate, psionic
Psychoportive Shelter
Empathic transfer
Ego whip
Dispel psionics
Time hop

Equipment
light crossbow
bolts x13
blue bathrobe (very soft and fluffy)
pants shoes, shirt
sack
medical supplies
short sword
chain mail
Large Darkwood Shield   
master crafted chain shirt   
Continual flame item
Handy Havier sack
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Level 6
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Skill points:54

Skills
Concentration 9
Psicraft 9
Knowledge Psionics 9
Craft armorsmithing 9
Craft weaponsmithing 9
Autohyponious 9

Feats
Elan resilience, enhanced
psicrystal affinity
Ek: minor creation
Ek: Energy Missile
Craft Universal item

Ability Scores
Str 10
Dex 10
Con 14
Int 19
Wis 14
Cha 10

Powers
Matter Agitation
Vigor
Grease, psionic
endure elements, psionic
Levitate, psionic
Psychoportive Shelter
Empathic transfer
Ego whip
Dispel psionics
Time hop
Identify, psionic
Far Hand

Equipment
light crossbow
bolts x13
blue bathrobe (very soft and fluffy)
pants shoes, shirt
sack
medical supplies
short sword
chain mail
Large Darkwood Shield   
master crafted chain shirt   
Continual flame item
Handy Havier sack

Created
Vest of Comfort 500gp 40xp
Orb of Sanitation 540gp 43xp
Amulet of Far Hand 900gp 72xp
Headband of Identify 1080gp 86xp
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Level 7a

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Skill points:60

Skills
Concentration 10
Psicraft 10
Knowledge Psionics 10
Craft armorsmithing 10
Craft weaponsmithing 10
Autohyponious 10

Feats
Elan resilience, enhanced
psicrystal affinity
Ek: minor creation
Ek: Energy Missile
Craft Universal item

Ability Scores
Str 10
Dex 10
Con 14
Int 19
Wis 14
Cha 10

Powers
Matter Agitation
Vigor
Grease, psionic
endure elements, psionic
Levitate, psionic
Psychoportive Shelter
Empathic transfer
Ego whip
Dispel psionics
Time hop
Identify, psionic
Far Hand
Psychic Reformation
Energy ray

Equipment
light crossbow
bolts x13
blue bathrobe (very soft and fluffy)
pants shoes, shirt
sack
medical supplies
short sword
chain mail
Large Darkwood Shield   
master crafted chain shirt   
Continual flame item
Handy Havier sack
Vest of Comfort
Orb of Sanitation
Amulet of Far Hand
Headband of Identify
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Custom Psionic Items

Vest of Comfort
This vest is made of silks is comfortable and nice to wear it provides a constant endure elements effect, keeping the wearer comfortable despite the weather outside around them.
ML 3, Craft Universal Item, Endure elements,psionic, Price:1000 gp, Cost to create: 500gold 40xp

Sanitation Orb
This Orb when activated emits a rapid series of ultrasonic pulses that repel dirt and minor contaminants from you, your clothing, and anything you happen to be touching.
More serious contaminants, such as encrusted mud, acid, or dried glue require serious concentration to remove; you can clean 1 square ft of space for each round you spend concentrating; substances that require any sort of check to avoid or remove, such as sovereign glue, a kuo toa’s adhesive, and so on, can only be removed if the DC to remove it is 11 or lower, and require a Concentration check (identical to the DC +5) to clear away. The effects of spells and powers with durations other than permanent or instantaneous can not be affected, and if you try to clean a surface that carries an infectious disease or a poison, you risk contamination through touch (if you successfully make the Concentration check, the surface is safe to touch after you have cleaned it off, though you still have to make your saves as if you had not used this orb).
ML 1, Craft Universal item, Energy ray(sonic), requires 4 Concentration ranks, and 1 psionic manifesting level, Price 1080gp, Cost to create 540gp 43xp, Weight -

Headband of Identify
This Headband grants a 1/day command thought use of psionic identify. The headband is made of silk and simply fits over the head with a small crystal sewn into it.
ML 3, Craft Universal item, Psionic Identify, Price 2160gp, Cost to Create 1080gp 86xp, Weight -

Amulet of Far Hand
This Amulet is a simple golden chain with a crystal pendant at the end. It allows the wearer the use of Far hand at will.
ML 2, Craft Universal item, Far Hand Price 1800gp, Cost to Create 900gp 72xp, Weight -
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