Nar Demonbinder revisit time

[ninjarabbit]

Nar Demonbind  looks like it'd work great in some sort of malconvoker build (malconvoker requires nonevil, nar demonbinder requires nongood so it can work)

beguiler1/wizard5/malconvoker5/UM1/ND1/UM7

[wezylithyx]

I helped a friend make a wicked Nar/UM summoner build... Focused Conjuror3/MasterSpecialist4/NarDemonbinder1/UltMagus10/Archmage2.

Combine with the Theurgic Specialist feat, you have an insane conjuration caster level... Wizard CL + effective NarD lvl + Wizard CL = Brutality.

Incredibly long-lasting and nigh-impossible to dispel summons especially with the UM CL bonus. Add the Minor Conjuration esoterica of being able to add your CL to the HP of you summons, and they get pretty burly as well. Never worry about planar bound critters SR on top of that. And only one lost wizard CL to boot.

[Anklebite]

I helped a friend make a wicked Nar/UM summoner build... Focused Conjuror3/MasterSpecialist4/NarDemonbinder1/UltMagus10/Archmage2.

Combine with the Theurgic Specialist feat, you have an insane conjuration caster level... Wizard CL + effective NarD lvl + Wizard CL = Brutality.

Incredibly long-lasting and nigh-impossible to dispel summons especially with the UM CL bonus. Add the Minor Conjuration esoterica of being able to add your CL to the HP of you summons, and they get pretty burly as well. Never worry about planar bound critters SR on top of that. And only one lost wizard CL to boot.

nice build, but you forgot a level of spellthief.

[vilenatas]

SpT1/wiz5/UM1/HeartfireFanner1/ND1/SE1/Sc1/UM+9
Arcane Prep+Master Spellthief
Southern Magician + DMM
all of UM goodies.

wiz 8 advancement levels
ND 7(full) advancement levels
SC 10(full) advancement levels


Question regarding malconvoker which requires the ability to cast summon monster III.  If a wizard adds the spell to his spellbook (but officially can only cast only 2nd level spells as the character below), can the wizard use versatile spellcaster (gained from using the spellthief option that grants spell at first level by giving up something (from a dragon I believe)) to burn 2 second level slots to gain a 3rd level slot and then use uncanny forethought to cast the summon monster III spell from his spellbook?  Something like the stub below.

SpT1/Wiz3/Malconvoker1
Human Bonus Versatile Spellcaster
Flaw1 Practice Spellcaster (spellthief)
Flaw2 Spell Focus(Conjuration)
1st Uncanny Forethought
Scribe Scroll Swap Augment Summoning
3rd Master spellthief

[ninjarabbit]

How about a duskblade-based ND?

cloisteredcleric1 (or anything else that lets us cast a summon monster spell)/duskblade13/ND1/abjurantchampion5

18 BAB, a pretty good CL thanks to martial arcanist from AC and you could throw practiced spellcaster in there plus if you get anything from one of the cloistered cleric domains

[awaken DM golem]

Sweet.
Very Sweet.

I'm'n'a hafta come back to this some time.
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