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Leadership, Obtain Familiar, or other? (Beguiler)
« on: February 19, 2010, 02:54:36 PM »
So, I have this Beguiler.  He's been great fun and I expect he will continue to be but he has some significant challenges to face.  He will be facing over time a lot of undead and due to Drow involvement likely elves and spiders (vermin) too. I plan on staying PURE Beguiler!!!

Those things of course are right in the niche of "OMG Pain in the Beguilers Ass" category but such was generally expected from before Beguiler was even my chosen class.  Meaning, I knew I would have this pain in my ass when I made my choice.

Which brings me back to the point of this thread...

I currently have Versatile Spellcaster, Precocious Apprentice, and Darkstalker as feats at 2nd level. 

I was considering taking Leadership (if allowed) or even Obtaining a Familiar (and eventually an Imp or similar).

Hands down I think Leadership is the more powerful choice that could help more with my foe problems more than a familiar but a familiar certainly could be fun, especially with all my Beguiler skills.

So the question... would the Leadership, or Obtain Familiar/Improved Familiar feat be the best route to pursue?

Or are there other great Feats to look into in regard to handling the challenges those foes present?

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Any ideas and thoughts would be appreciated.  Of course best way to fix the problem will probably just be to use Eclectic learning (the warmage ACF which DM is allowing for Beguiler) to add good spells to cover the gap.
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Re: Leadership, Obtain Familiar, or other? (Beguiler)
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2010, 03:00:47 PM »
Well... if you're willing to burn two feats, an Imp might qualify for Mindsight, depending on if your DM thinks they should have Telepathy or not from being a baatezu. Alternatively you could get a pseudodragon, if your alignment allows it.

Of course, Leadership is almost certainly the most powerful option, but Obtain Familiar can be a close second if you give them wands to get extra actions, etc.
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Re: Leadership, Obtain Familiar, or other? (Beguiler)
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2010, 03:01:52 PM »
Well if you want the fun of a familiar but the power of the leadership feat, nothing is stopping you from having your cohort take a familiar and the familiar improving feats. Alternatively you could have an artificer cohort specializing in cheat crafting (see sig) and have them pump out homunculi or other golems.

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Re: Leadership, Obtain Familiar, or other? (Beguiler)
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2010, 03:14:18 PM »
Ask the DM if he'll punish you unreasonably for using dominate person on a beatstick and using them as a personal bodyguard allowing you to contribute to fights against mind affecting immune foes without expending any resources.

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Re: Leadership, Obtain Familiar, or other? (Beguiler)
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2010, 03:20:41 PM »
You can use a Runestaff to effectively add new spells to what you can cast.  You can also take Extra Spell to add a spell to your class list.
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Re: Leadership, Obtain Familiar, or other? (Beguiler)
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2010, 04:40:23 PM »
Extra spell doesn't work like that.

Anyway, if you improve your familiar, planar familiar is really nice. 
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Re: Leadership, Obtain Familiar, or other? (Beguiler)
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2010, 04:45:24 PM »
leadership will definitely give you a bigger power boost, though.  also, considering that you are a beguiler, you can have some real fun with the roleplaying aspects of the leadership feat.
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Re: Leadership, Obtain Familiar, or other? (Beguiler)
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2010, 04:54:52 PM »
I pity the DM that allows Leadership  :lmao

The choice is obvious.
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Re: Leadership, Obtain Familiar, or other? (Beguiler)
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2010, 04:57:10 PM »
I pity the DM that allows Leadership  :lmao

The choice is obvious.
Yeah... It should only be allowed if the party is small and the DM wants more bodies to pound on with the NPCs that he controls.  :D
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Re: Leadership, Obtain Familiar, or other? (Beguiler)
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2010, 05:15:20 PM »
maybe Item familar?

w/ leadership :D
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Re: Leadership, Obtain Familiar, or other? (Beguiler)
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2010, 08:24:58 PM »
Well, now it is crunch time.  I am 3rd level.  Just paid off my +1 LA and have to choose a feat.

I'm trying for re-flavored Faerie Mysteries for Int to HP. (Read this DM and use it to awesomeness and to make me less squishy!!)

DM (and other players) giggle at the idea of me taking Obtain Familiar.  DM has pretty rough rep in regards to familiars, the kind where your bird familiar flying through the woods among other birds and it gets shot by goblins traveling down below hehe.  (You know you do BK, rightly or wrongly)

Other feats I'm considering:
Shadow Weave magic (DM has allowed this choice!!)  Probably will be the choice if nothing more special jumps
      out at me.
Arcane Disciple (several decent domain choices)  I have 15 Wis
Coercive spell
Looked some at Devotion and Reserve feats but non jump out at me.
Dragon Feats are out most likely so no Int to HP

Any good ideas?  Need more info?  May be able to get some FR or even Eb feats allowed.

We are currently facing tons of stuff and situations that are way above our level.  This has been limiting effectiveness of much of the beguiler spell list.  I'll be trying to post about that in my Diary tomorrow.

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Re: Leadership, Obtain Familiar, or other? (Beguiler)
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2010, 08:31:09 PM »
I'm trying for re-flavored Faerie Mysteries for Int to HP.
Why would you ever want to re-flavor that feat? The written flavor is basically "have sex with elves and get stronger." That's a perfectly flavored feat!

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Re: Leadership, Obtain Familiar, or other? (Beguiler)
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2010, 08:37:40 PM »
I'm trying for re-flavored Faerie Mysteries for Int to HP.
Why would you ever want to re-flavor that feat? The written flavor is basically "have sex with elves and get stronger." That's a perfectly flavored feat!
"Sensual act" damnit!

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Google "barb of the mind".
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Re: Leadership, Obtain Familiar, or other? (Beguiler)
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2010, 08:50:12 PM »
I'm trying for re-flavored Faerie Mysteries for Int to HP.
Why would you ever want to re-flavor that feat? The written flavor is basically "have sex with elves and get stronger." That's a perfectly flavored feat!

LOL, not for that reason.  Reflavored in regards to FR specific stuff with it hehe.
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Re: Leadership, Obtain Familiar, or other? (Beguiler)
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2010, 07:35:05 AM »
Hmm, Shadow-Weave magic with a dip of Shadow Adept seems solid, and won't result in group-resentment.

That being said, it's probably a low-key solution.

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Re: Leadership, Obtain Familiar, or other? (Beguiler)
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2010, 04:48:48 PM »
Google "barb of the mind".

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mb/20040317a
....mind poison's save DC is 10+casting stat+ ONE HALF FUCKING CASTER LEVEL!

another good spell to put on my arcane dilliante's list, then. wee, enjoy your DC 51+my int/cha save.
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Re: Leadership, Obtain Familiar, or other? (Beguiler)
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2010, 04:55:58 PM »
Google "barb of the mind".

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mb/20040317a
....mind poison's save DC is 10+casting stat+ ONE HALF FUCKING CASTER LEVEL!

another good spell to put on my arcane dilliante's list, then. wee, enjoy your DC 51+my int/cha save.
Yeah but unless you're metamagicing the crap out of it, or hitting a cleric with it to make him lose high level spell slots, it doesn't seem worth the 3rd level spell slot.
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Re: Leadership, Obtain Familiar, or other? (Beguiler)
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2010, 05:02:50 PM »
Google "barb of the mind".

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mb/20040317a
....mind poison's save DC is 10+casting stat+ ONE HALF FUCKING CASTER LEVEL!

another good spell to put on my arcane dilliante's list, then. wee, enjoy your DC 51+my int/cha save.

It's the same for a regular Poison spell.

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Re: Leadership, Obtain Familiar, or other? (Beguiler)
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2010, 05:09:47 PM »
Google "barb of the mind".

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mb/20040317a
....mind poison's save DC is 10+casting stat+ ONE HALF FUCKING CASTER LEVEL!

another good spell to put on my arcane dilliante's list, then. wee, enjoy your DC 51+my int/cha save.

It's the same for a regular Poison spell.

the hell is wizards thinking? aren't save-or-be-fucked spells strong enough as is? do we really need a way to instagib people with third level spells? oh wait, we already have one... it's called slow. goddamn wizards.
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