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Two builds, many questions
« on: February 17, 2010, 10:11:18 AM »
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Ok, I need to prepare a character for an upcoming (possibly gestalt) solo campaign, and I could use some tips from the wise sages of CO.

I have two concepts in mind - a dual wielding human (or elan) psychic warrior, and a (lesser) tiefling thief/skillmonkey/assassin with a kukri as her weapon of choice. That said, time for some questions:

1) Is it possible to make an effective dual-wielding psychic warrior (and more precisely, one that uses either longswords or bastard swords)? What would the build look like? How does it work? (Please consider that I have never played a psionic class before, and that I have only a rudimentary knowledge of D&D optimization in general.)

2) What are my best gestalt options for these two concepts? I need something thematically appropriate (as in, not things like paladin//warlock), with decent synergy, solo viability, and as little MAD as possible.

Hmm, that seems to be all for now. Plenty more likely to surface when I start working on the details.

Thankful in advance,
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Re: Two builds, many questions
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2010, 08:19:40 AM »
...Bump. ._.

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Re: Two builds, many questions
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2010, 08:38:11 AM »
Could we have a little more info?  Knowing level, allowable books, general campaign theme would be useful.
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Re: Two builds, many questions
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2010, 09:27:34 AM »
1. TWF (Psi)Gish, 2. Monkey/Face. Chrono-Legionnaire, <Monarch> of Smack, Factotum, Rogue, Kaorti Resin, Disciple of Dispater, Spring Attack (as Core non-TWF alternate), Swordsage, Warblade, Scout, or combine both, PsyRogue, PsyAssassin, Lurk, Slayer, Elocator?, Black Flame Zealot, Swashbuckler,
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Re: Two builds, many questions
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2010, 09:39:05 AM »
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Ok, I need to prepare a character for an upcoming (possibly gestalt) solo campaign, and I could use some tips from the wise sages of CO.

I have two concepts in mind - a dual wielding human (or elan) psychic warrior, and a (lesser) tiefling thief/skillmonkey/assassin with a kukri as her weapon of choice. That said, time for some questions:

1) Is it possible to make an effective dual-wielding psychic warrior (and more precisely, one that uses either longswords or bastard swords)? What would the build look like? How does it work? (Please consider that I have never played a psionic class before, and that I have only a rudimentary knowledge of D&D optimization in general.)

2) What are my best gestalt options for these two concepts? I need something thematically appropriate (as in, not things like paladin//warlock), with decent synergy, solo viability, and as little MAD as possible.

Hmm, that seems to be all for now. Plenty more likely to surface when I start working on the details.

Thankful in advance,
Seventh Wing

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If simultaneous PrC's are allowed, make it Psion 5/Anarchic Initiate 10/Archpsion 5, or optionally, Erudite 20.  Here's the glue : Raged Casting, from Dragon mag.  Lets you use your spells (or in this case with transparency, powers) while in a rage or frenzy, which you just happen to be in both at once.  Standard Leap Attack tactics, turning your enemies into bacon bits, only now you can shut down the casters as well.  Mitigate enough of their tricks, and you just might get a hit off, and the reason I say psionics is they have the easiest access to action abuse, particularly movement.  If the enemy isn't sporting some serious damage mitigation of his own, your full attack in the face will seriously fuck him up hardcore.
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Re: Two builds, many questions
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2010, 12:15:39 PM »
Could we have a little more info?  Knowing level, allowable books, general campaign theme would be useful.
Starting level: 5 or 6
Books allowed: all (though dragon stuff is probably a no-no)
Campaign theme: unknown / tailored to the character

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Re: Two builds, many questions
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2010, 12:58:26 PM »
All of this is easier if PrC progression on both sides are allowed, assuming gestalt, and Dragon is allowed.
Lion Totem Barb 2/Ranger 2/Fighter 1/Revenant Blade 5/Frenzied Berserker 10||Psion 20

Very very strong. Be sure to be Large sized and get Knockback along with the TWF line. Or get TWF from the Ranger level then the gloves that grant iTWF if you can't meet the Dex req.

And make sure that's a telepath psion. You need Schism for this to really shine.

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Re: Two builds, many questions
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2010, 01:31:56 PM »


schism is definitively vital for that build.
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Re: Two builds, many questions
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2010, 01:37:57 PM »
All of this is easier if PrC progression on both sides are allowed, assuming gestalt, and Dragon is allowed.
Lion Totem Barb 2/Ranger 2/Fighter 1/Revenant Blade 5/Frenzied Berserker 10||Psion 20
If simultaneous PrC's are allowed, make it Psion 5/Anarchic Initiate 10/Archpsion 5, or optionally, Erudite 20.  Here's the glue : Raged Casting, from Dragon mag.  Lets you use your spells (or in this case with transparency, powers) while in a rage or frenzy, which you just happen to be in both at once.  Standard Leap Attack tactics, turning your enemies into bacon bits, only now you can shut down the casters as well.  Mitigate enough of their tricks, and you just might get a hit off, and the reason I say psionics is they have the easiest access to action abuse, particularly movement.  If the enemy isn't sporting some serious damage mitigation of his own, your full attack in the face will seriously fuck him up hardcore.
That sounds scary. What issue of Dragon is Raged Casting in? Is it included in the Compendium?

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Re: Two builds, many questions
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2010, 01:44:03 PM »
And make sure that's a telepath psion. You need Schism for this to really shine.
Meh. I'd rather be something else and take Expanded Knowledge (Schism), usually.
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Re: Two builds, many questions
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2010, 02:03:18 PM »
And make sure that's a telepath psion. You need Schism for this to really shine.
Meh. I'd rather be something else and take Expanded Knowledge (Schism), usually.

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Re: Two builds, many questions
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2010, 02:20:09 PM »
Factotum//Psion is a nice alternative to the standard Factotum//Wizard builds :)
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Re: Two builds, many questions
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2010, 05:39:43 PM »
All of this is easier if PrC progression on both sides are allowed, assuming gestalt, and Dragon is allowed.
Lion Totem Barb 2/Ranger 2/Fighter 1/Revenant Blade 5/Frenzied Berserker 10||Psion 20
If simultaneous PrC's are allowed, make it Psion 5/Anarchic Initiate 10/Archpsion 5, or optionally, Erudite 20.  Here's the glue : Raged Casting, from Dragon mag.  Lets you use your spells (or in this case with transparency, powers) while in a rage or frenzy, which you just happen to be in both at once.  Standard Leap Attack tactics, turning your enemies into bacon bits, only now you can shut down the casters as well.  Mitigate enough of their tricks, and you just might get a hit off, and the reason I say psionics is they have the easiest access to action abuse, particularly movement.  If the enemy isn't sporting some serious damage mitigation of his own, your full attack in the face will seriously fuck him up hardcore.
That sounds scary. What issue of Dragon is Raged Casting in? Is it included in the Compendium?

According to a poster on brilliantgameologists, the feat is called Rage Casting, and is located in Dragon #310. However...
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...the feat's description indicates that it only allows you to cast free action spells while enraged, which makes it sound a lot less appealing, at least to my uneducated eyes. Am I missing something?

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Re: Two builds, many questions
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2010, 05:41:17 PM »
Then you take Righteous Wrath from BoED.

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Re: Two builds, many questions
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2010, 07:05:04 PM »
Might be a little late, but if you go Erudite, you can always use Arcane Spellsurge to make all your spells/powers swift actions.
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