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Re: Fun Finds!
« Reply #320 on: February 01, 2011, 05:04:19 AM »
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Re: Fun Finds!
« Reply #321 on: February 01, 2011, 05:05:02 AM »
Steal SLA, possibly.
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Re: Fun Finds!
« Reply #322 on: February 01, 2011, 03:30:45 PM »
That feat looks great for binders.

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Re: Fun Finds!
« Reply #323 on: February 01, 2011, 04:42:10 PM »
It's great for DFA because they cannot take Metabreath feats unless the breath weapon has a recharge time.

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Re: Fun Finds!
« Reply #324 on: February 01, 2011, 05:00:55 PM »
If in your game you can gain divine ranks by killing a deity or if you simple want to kill a god just for the hell of it,then Erbin is your choice....
He comes from the Deities and Demigods Web enchancment....
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He is even weaker than Imhotep....

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Re: Fun Finds!
« Reply #325 on: February 01, 2011, 05:55:25 PM »

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Re: Fun Finds!
« Reply #326 on: February 01, 2011, 05:56:02 PM »
I'm actually going to try to use that for Cantrip's game. But Vile and Non-Evil is hard to swing.

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Re: Fun Finds!
« Reply #327 on: February 01, 2011, 06:09:06 PM »
I just found this in the link posted last page...

CORRUPT SUMMONING [VILE]
Your summoned creatures become twisted and evil.
Prerequisite: Spell Focus (conjuration), Augment
Summoning, evil alignment.
Benefit: Each creature you conjure with any summon spell
gains the evil subtype

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Re: Fun Finds!
« Reply #328 on: February 01, 2011, 06:28:24 PM »
I question how it is that a Vile feat has an evil alignment prerequisite. Doesn't the feat type already imply that, making the prereq redundant?
Anyway, getting the evil subtype yourself should work. The simplest way to do that would be the Ritual of Alignment, I think, if you don't want to touch Divine Minion.
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Re: Fun Finds!
« Reply #329 on: February 01, 2011, 06:36:21 PM »

Any summoning spell? Why hello there Evil Solar! What you have no plane that'll take you? Why you can hang out with me!

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« Reply #330 on: February 01, 2011, 06:39:04 PM »

Any summoning spell? Why hello there Evil Solar! What you have no plane that'll take you? Why you can hang out with me!
I'm pretty sure "any summon spell" refers to "any spell with 'Summon' in its name", or perhaps "any Conjuration (Summoning) spell", but that would be hilarious. Go sloppy wording.
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Re: Fun Finds!
« Reply #331 on: February 01, 2011, 06:39:20 PM »

Any summoning spell? Why hello there Evil Solar! What you have no plane that'll take you? Why you can hang out with me!
It won't work.....
Gate(which I assume you used to bring in the solar) is a calling spell not a summoning one...

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Re: Fun Finds!
« Reply #332 on: February 01, 2011, 06:56:51 PM »
I question how it is that a Vile feat has an evil alignment prerequisite. Doesn't the feat type already imply that, making the prereq redundant?
Anyway, getting the evil subtype yourself should work. The simplest way to do that would be the Ritual of Alignment, I think, if you don't want to touch Divine Minion.

Problem is that manconvoker has to be non-evil

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Re: Fun Finds!
« Reply #333 on: February 01, 2011, 07:01:24 PM »
[Evil] subtype allows you to qualify for Evil things but doesn't require you to be Evil, correct?

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« Reply #334 on: February 01, 2011, 07:06:30 PM »
[Evil] subtype allows you to qualify for Evil things but doesn't require you to be Evil, correct?
Yep.  You count as evil, but still count as what your alignment is as well.
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« Reply #335 on: February 01, 2011, 07:20:35 PM »
This is a nice thing I found online. Good for download and reference:
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ftp://neko.sovten.ru/ADND/Dragon%20Magazine/Complete%20Dragon%20Magazine%203.5%20Feats,%20Flaws,%20and%20Fighting%20Styles.pdf
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Re: Fun Finds!
« Reply #336 on: February 01, 2011, 07:34:00 PM »
Problem is that manconvoker has to be non-evil

Would a Hellbred's Evil Exception work?

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Evil Exception (Ex): Regardless of alignment or class restrictions, a hellbred can cast spells with the evil descriptor and never gains negative levels while wielding evil magic items, such as unholy weapons or demon armor.lands where the baatezu have the most in?uence, hoping to unravel their plans.

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Re: Fun Finds!
« Reply #337 on: February 01, 2011, 07:41:55 PM »
[Evil] subtype allows you to qualify for Evil things but doesn't require you to be Evil, correct?
Yep.  You count as evil, but still count as what your alignment is as well.

Fore reference (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/typesSubtypes.htm#evilSubtype or http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/glossary&term=Glossary_dnd_evilsubtype&alpha=E). Do prerequisites count as effects? If so, a Good (Evil subtype) Malconvoker would be in a confusing state. There are four possibilities, as far as I can tell:

a) Assuming that Good and Evil are mutually exclusive qualities that one can have, and that the alignment subtypes treat you as both: He counts as both Evil and not Evil, so he both qualifies and is disqualified from his PrC (and the feat). While paradoxical class features are interesting to think about, I don't think they're very practical.
b) Assuming that Good and Evil are qualities that one can have that are not mutually exclusive: He counts as both Evil and Good. That will qualify him for anything that requires an Evil alignment, but will disqualify him for anything that requires a non-Evil alignment (since he's Evil). Ditto qualifying for Good and disqualifying for non-Good. Even if he's Neutral instead of Good, it's the same problem since Neutral isn't just "not good or evil", but a distinct alignment in its own right.
c) Assuming that Good and Evil are mutually exclusive qualities that one can have, and that the alignment subtypes make you react as though the worst one in a given situation: He counts as Evil or Good, whichever is worse, thus disqualifying him from both feat and PrC. Most inline with the intent implied by the wording of the alignment subtypes, I think.
d) Assuming that Good and Evil are mutually exclusive qualities that one can have, and that the alignment subtypes make you react as though the best one in a given situation: He counts as Evil or Good, whichever is better, thus allowing him to qualify for both feat and PrC. Least inline with the intent implied by the wording of the alignment subtypes, I think.
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Re: Fun Finds!
« Reply #338 on: February 01, 2011, 07:45:56 PM »
B) is correct, if I'm understanding you correctly.
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Re: Fun Finds!
« Reply #339 on: February 01, 2011, 07:46:23 PM »
Perhaps unfortunately, you make a good point. I'd like to make some "beyond good and evil" joke here, but I can't think of any.

Problem is that manconvoker has to be non-evil

Would a Hellbred's Evil Exception work?

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Evil Exception (Ex): Regardless of alignment or class restrictions, a hellbred can cast spells with the evil descriptor and never gains negative levels while wielding evil magic items, such as unholy weapons or demon armor.lands where the baatezu have the most in?uence, hoping to unravel their plans.
I don't think it would. You need to be evil to qualify for the feat in the first place, which the racial ability does not cover. We obviously think in similar terms, though, as that was the first thing I checked too. :lol
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