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Re: How you make your wizard like a spontaneous caster.
« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2011, 11:39:24 PM »
Just don't ban too many schools there :) If you go Incantatrix, then you'll only have 3 schools (Div, Ill, and Trans) left.

Specialist: Banning 2 schools for 1 bonus spell slot a day = good
Focused Specialist: Banning 3 schools for -1 normal slots and +3 bonus spell slots = good

Changeling Specialist: Banning 3 schools for 1 bonus spell slot a day = bad
Changeling Focused Specialist: Banning 4 schools for -1 normal slots and +5 bonus spell slots = good

Note that you only have Divination, Illusion, Transmutation, + 1 more, probably Conjuration/Abjuration
You are forgetting Abyssal Specialist.

Post the book source for the changing thing and what it does on my thread please.
The changeling dual-specialist wizard ACF is from Races of Eberron, and focused specialist is from CMage. Master specialist is also from CMage. Red wizard is from the DMG, and we all know where incantatrix is from, right?

Also, the Racial Emulation feat (also from RoE) allows you to count as a gnome for shadowcraft mage.
Quoted so when I get around to updating this I won't forget to add this.
Basically, RoE has the changeling dual-specialist wizard ACF. Specialize in both illusion and transmutation spells for the cost of 3 schools. Add this in with the focused specialist wizard ACF to focus-specialize in two different schools, meaning you gain a ton of spell slots of each spell-level.

Add in domain wizard and Abyssal specialist, and you've got a lot to play with.

Also, changelings can count as gnomes for shadowcraft mage using the Racial Emulation feat.
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Re: How you make your wizard like a spontaneous caster.
« Reply #41 on: April 26, 2011, 02:45:53 AM »
there are the amethyst shards, memento magicas, that recharge a spell slot the same way a pearl of power recalls a spell cast.
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Re: How you make your wizard like a spontaneous caster.
« Reply #42 on: April 26, 2011, 03:45:11 AM »
Also, changelings can count as gnomes for shadowcraft mage using the Racial Emulation feat.
I've never been entirely sure about that.  Changeling's minimum random height is 5'2".  Minor Change Shape works "as though using a disguise self spell", and Disguise Self allows one to "seem 1 foot shorter".  A gnome's maximum random height is 3'8", half a foot shorter than the shortest that the shortest of Changelings can make themselves.  Is there a taller Gnome subrace I've overlooked?  (Forest and Chaos Gnomes are shorter; Whisper Gnomes are the same height and Svirfneblin don't say one way or the other.)

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Re: How you make your wizard like a spontaneous caster.
« Reply #43 on: April 26, 2011, 09:57:18 AM »
Also, changelings can count as gnomes for shadowcraft mage using the Racial Emulation feat.
I've never been entirely sure about that.  Changeling's minimum random height is 5'2".  Minor Change Shape works "as though using a disguise self spell", and Disguise Self allows one to "seem 1 foot shorter".  A gnome's maximum random height is 3'8", half a foot shorter than the shortest that the shortest of Changelings can make themselves.  Is there a taller Gnome subrace I've overlooked?  (Forest and Chaos Gnomes are shorter; Whisper Gnomes are the same height and Svirfneblin don't say one way or the other.)
...How is the height really important?
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Re: How you make your wizard like a spontaneous caster.
« Reply #44 on: April 26, 2011, 04:08:15 PM »
Also, changelings can count as gnomes for shadowcraft mage using the Racial Emulation feat.
I've never been entirely sure about that.  Changeling's minimum random height is 5'2".  Minor Change Shape works "as though using a disguise self spell", and Disguise Self allows one to "seem 1 foot shorter".  A gnome's maximum random height is 3'8", half a foot shorter than the shortest that the shortest of Changelings can make themselves.  Is there a taller Gnome subrace I've overlooked?  (Forest and Chaos Gnomes are shorter; Whisper Gnomes are the same height and Svirfneblin don't say one way or the other.)
...How is the height really important?
Who knows.

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Re: How you make your wizard like a spontaneous caster.
« Reply #45 on: April 27, 2011, 12:14:14 AM »
Also, changelings can count as gnomes for shadowcraft mage using the Racial Emulation feat.
I've never been entirely sure about that.  Changeling's minimum random height is 5'2".  Minor Change Shape works "as though using a disguise self spell", and Disguise Self allows one to "seem 1 foot shorter".  A gnome's maximum random height is 3'8", half a foot shorter than the shortest that the shortest of Changelings can make themselves.  Is there a taller Gnome subrace I've overlooked?  (Forest and Chaos Gnomes are shorter; Whisper Gnomes are the same height and Svirfneblin don't say one way or the other.)
...How is the height really important?
Racial Emulation lets you mimic a race's subtype "when you assume the form of a humanoid creature".  "Form" includes physical dimensions, correct?

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Re: How you make your wizard like a spontaneous caster.
« Reply #46 on: April 27, 2011, 12:49:11 AM »
Also, changelings can count as gnomes for shadowcraft mage using the Racial Emulation feat.
I've never been entirely sure about that.  Changeling's minimum random height is 5'2".  Minor Change Shape works "as though using a disguise self spell", and Disguise Self allows one to "seem 1 foot shorter".  A gnome's maximum random height is 3'8", half a foot shorter than the shortest that the shortest of Changelings can make themselves.  Is there a taller Gnome subrace I've overlooked?  (Forest and Chaos Gnomes are shorter; Whisper Gnomes are the same height and Svirfneblin don't say one way or the other.)
...How is the height really important?
Racial Emulation lets you mimic a race's subtype "when you assume the form of a humanoid creature".  "Form" includes physical dimensions, correct?
...that's not just being literal, it's being anal-retentive. Would you claim the same if the Doppleganger's Change Shape had eye color/hair color/hair length restrictions? "Whoops, you can look like a dwarf but you can't grow a beard, no Hammer of Moradin PrC for you"?

So you'd look like a gnome with a pituitary condition. The values on the height tables are not absolute - you CAN make a human character who's 8 feet tall, you'd just look like a freak. Wouldn't make you any less human.

Case in point, this dude was never proved to be an alien.
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Re: How you make your wizard like a spontaneous caster.
« Reply #47 on: April 27, 2011, 01:46:40 AM »
For one thing, if an ability has restrictions on it, then yes, I'm going to say that the person using that ability has to abide by those restrictions.  Second, as long as I'm being anal retentive, Doppelgangers don't even qualify for Racial Emulation because they're not Changelings (as being a Changeling is the sole prerequisite for the feat), so a Doppelganger Hammer of Moradin already wouldn't work.  Not that this is anywhere near the most anal-retentive dispute I've ever seen on this or the other board.

I know that there are actual real people outside the height and weight ranges described in the PHB, but since when has reality had anything to do with the way things work in the game?  No real person has a 40' vertical leap, but it's not too hard to build a character who has one.  What the rules actually say-- the rules I presume we generally abide by-- on PHB 109 is "Choose your character's height and weight from the ranges mentioned on the appropriate race description (see Chapter 2) or from the ranges found on Table 6-6".  The table has wider ranges, so I went with that to be generous, and Changelings are still too tall.

I'm not saying there aren't potential work-arounds either.  Minor Change Shape is ambiguous enough that you could mimic, for instance, a half-minotaur gnome, which is a medium creature.  (Being based on Disguise Self, templates aren't off-limits.)  My point is that there are legitimate reasons to believe it's not as simple as Lycanthromancer made it sound.
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Re: How you make your wizard like a spontaneous caster.
« Reply #48 on: April 27, 2011, 03:00:30 AM »
if that doesn't work, you can take the prestige that makes you qualify as a gnome in races of stone.
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Re: How you make your wizard like a spontaneous caster.
« Reply #49 on: April 27, 2011, 10:29:59 AM »
For one thing, if an ability has restrictions on it, then yes, I'm going to say that the person using that ability has to abide by those restrictions.  Second, as long as I'm being anal retentive, Doppelgangers don't even qualify for Racial Emulation because they're not Changelings (as being a Changeling is the sole prerequisite for the feat), so a Doppelganger Hammer of Moradin already wouldn't work.  Not that this is anywhere near the most anal-retentive dispute I've ever seen on this or the other board.

I know that there are actual real people outside the height and weight ranges described in the PHB, but since when has reality had anything to do with the way things work in the game?  No real person has a 40' vertical leap, but it's not too hard to build a character who has one.  What the rules actually say-- the rules I presume we generally abide by-- on PHB 109 is "Choose your character's height and weight from the ranges mentioned on the appropriate race description (see Chapter 2) or from the ranges found on Table 6-6".  The table has wider ranges, so I went with that to be generous, and Changelings are still too tall.

I'm not saying there aren't potential work-arounds either.  Minor Change Shape is ambiguous enough that you could mimic, for instance, a half-minotaur gnome, which is a medium creature.  (Being based on Disguise Self, templates aren't off-limits.)  My point is that there are legitimate reasons to believe it's not as simple as Lycanthromancer made it sound.

Heck, the tables on the PHB barely even correspond to human beings. They assume that A) human beings cannot be grossly overweight and B) there is no such thing as a seven-foot-tall human. Height is such an unimportant characteristic in the game as to be unused for anything but the max height a character can jump vertically without a Jump check. Of all the things one could claim are an obstacle for qualifying as a race (ability modifiers, racial skill bonuses, racial bonus feats, racial abilities, etc.) your beef is with something that has all the game impact of a Commoner.
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Re: How you make your wizard like a spontaneous caster.
« Reply #50 on: April 27, 2011, 12:57:43 PM »
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Re: How you make your wizard like a spontaneous caster.
« Reply #51 on: April 27, 2011, 03:58:03 PM »
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Re: How you make your wizard like a spontaneous caster.
« Reply #52 on: April 27, 2011, 07:38:03 PM »
For one thing, if an ability has restrictions on it, then yes, I'm going to say that the person using that ability has to abide by those restrictions.  Second, as long as I'm being anal retentive, Doppelgangers don't even qualify for Racial Emulation because they're not Changelings (as being a Changeling is the sole prerequisite for the feat), so a Doppelganger Hammer of Moradin already wouldn't work.  Not that this is anywhere near the most anal-retentive dispute I've ever seen on this or the other board.

I know that there are actual real people outside the height and weight ranges described in the PHB, but since when has reality had anything to do with the way things work in the game?  No real person has a 40' vertical leap, but it's not too hard to build a character who has one.  What the rules actually say-- the rules I presume we generally abide by-- on PHB 109 is "Choose your character's height and weight from the ranges mentioned on the appropriate race description (see Chapter 2) or from the ranges found on Table 6-6".  The table has wider ranges, so I went with that to be generous, and Changelings are still too tall.

I'm not saying there aren't potential work-arounds either.  Minor Change Shape is ambiguous enough that you could mimic, for instance, a half-minotaur gnome, which is a medium creature.  (Being based on Disguise Self, templates aren't off-limits.)  My point is that there are legitimate reasons to believe it's not as simple as Lycanthromancer made it sound.

Heck, the tables on the PHB barely even correspond to human beings. They assume that A) human beings cannot be grossly overweight and B) there is no such thing as a seven-foot-tall human. Height is such an unimportant characteristic in the game as to be unused for anything but the max height a character can jump vertically without a Jump check. Of all the things one could claim are an obstacle for qualifying as a race (ability modifiers, racial skill bonuses, racial bonus feats, racial abilities, etc.) your beef is with something that has all the game impact of a Commoner.
OK, how about the fact that you're trying to change your size category with an ability that doesn't explicitly allow you to do so?

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Re: How you make your wizard like a spontaneous caster.
« Reply #53 on: April 27, 2011, 10:37:04 PM »
For one thing, if an ability has restrictions on it, then yes, I'm going to say that the person using that ability has to abide by those restrictions.  Second, as long as I'm being anal retentive, Doppelgangers don't even qualify for Racial Emulation because they're not Changelings (as being a Changeling is the sole prerequisite for the feat), so a Doppelganger Hammer of Moradin already wouldn't work.  Not that this is anywhere near the most anal-retentive dispute I've ever seen on this or the other board.

I know that there are actual real people outside the height and weight ranges described in the PHB, but since when has reality had anything to do with the way things work in the game?  No real person has a 40' vertical leap, but it's not too hard to build a character who has one.  What the rules actually say-- the rules I presume we generally abide by-- on PHB 109 is "Choose your character's height and weight from the ranges mentioned on the appropriate race description (see Chapter 2) or from the ranges found on Table 6-6".  The table has wider ranges, so I went with that to be generous, and Changelings are still too tall.

I'm not saying there aren't potential work-arounds either.  Minor Change Shape is ambiguous enough that you could mimic, for instance, a half-minotaur gnome, which is a medium creature.  (Being based on Disguise Self, templates aren't off-limits.)  My point is that there are legitimate reasons to believe it's not as simple as Lycanthromancer made it sound.

Heck, the tables on the PHB barely even correspond to human beings. They assume that A) human beings cannot be grossly overweight and B) there is no such thing as a seven-foot-tall human. Height is such an unimportant characteristic in the game as to be unused for anything but the max height a character can jump vertically without a Jump check. Of all the things one could claim are an obstacle for qualifying as a race (ability modifiers, racial skill bonuses, racial bonus feats, racial abilities, etc.) your beef is with something that has all the game impact of a Commoner.
OK, how about the fact that you're trying to change your size category with an ability that doesn't explicitly allow you to do so?
How about the fact that the size category isn't remotely tied to subtype in any way? A half-minotaur gnome is still a gnome.
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Re: How you make your wizard like a spontaneous caster.
« Reply #54 on: April 27, 2011, 11:58:46 PM »
Like I said, that's a possible workaround.

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« Reply #55 on: April 27, 2011, 11:59:53 PM »
Like I said, that's a possible workaround.
Even if it's an irrelevant one, since size category and type/subtype are not codependent in any way.
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Re: How you make your wizard like a spontaneous caster.
« Reply #56 on: May 11, 2011, 03:16:58 AM »
You could also disguise yourself as a gnome who has had "enlarge person" cast on him. 
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Re: How you make your wizard like a spontaneous caster.
« Reply #57 on: May 11, 2011, 04:23:14 AM »
i recall an adventure once where a somewhat xenophobic and elitist culture of humans had their own princess in durance vile because she had been born a midget. they were currently in conflict with or wanted something from a neighboring culture of halflings. one possible outcome of the adventure was to convince them to marry off the princess as a negotiation tactic, thus satisfying the halflings in what they wanted, and getting rid of the embarrassing princess all in one swoop. 
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Re: How you make your wizard like a spontaneous caster.
« Reply #58 on: May 17, 2011, 02:33:58 AM »
Not sure if this is still being updated or not but I thought this should be mentioned.

Spontaneous Divination + Versitile Spellcaster = Potential of spontaneously casting ALL sorcerer/wizard spells in the game so long as they are recored in your spellbook.

Did anyone mention this already?

This becomes more efficient if you throw in 2 levels of Geometer and Boccobs Blessed Book.

Every spell from levels 0-9 only take up 1 page and the cost to scribe them is free.

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Re: How you make your wizard like a spontaneous caster.
« Reply #59 on: May 17, 2011, 02:34:28 PM »
where is spontaneous divination again?
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