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Much confusion regarding mounts.
« on: February 10, 2010, 04:06:34 PM »
Assume I'm riding my animal companion, who is also my special mount. I have a +50 modifier to both Ride and Handle Animal. I've this my animal every Trick. If I want to use Trample(the feat!), who takes the action?

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When you attempt to overrun an opponent while mounted, your target may not choose to avoid you. Your mount may make one hoof attack against any target you knock down, gaining the standard +4 bonus on attack rolls against prone targets.

It says you but I'm not moving, right? I'm controlling the mount as a free action, right? Does the mount make an Overrun attempt or do I?

I think I'm just generally confused about actions while riding a mount. I assume that the rider and the mount act as two separate entities in combat but it takes a move action to direct the mount, correct? Animal companions are a free action however, right? Then why do some classes have the ability to grant the rider a full round attack after the mount moves? Can't anyone riding an Animal companion already do this?

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Re: Much confusion regarding mounts.
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2010, 04:26:50 PM »
At the moment you ride your Animal Companion it's a "mount" so you'd have to spend a move action to direct it. If you are not riding it, you can direct it as a free action, probably through verbal commands, which would always be a free action.

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Re: Much confusion regarding mounts.
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2010, 04:30:48 PM »
At the moment you ride your Animal Companion it's a "mount" so you'd have to spend a move action to direct it. If you are not riding it, you can direct it as a free action, probably through verbal commands, which would always be a free action.

What the hell?  :bigeye Got a book to back that up? That seems to dumb to be true.

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Re: Much confusion regarding mounts.
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2010, 04:39:25 PM »
At the moment you ride your Animal Companion it's a "mount" so you'd have to spend a move action to direct it. If you are not riding it, you can direct it as a free action, probably through verbal commands, which would always be a free action.
It's only a move action for a mount not "trained for war". For one that is trained for war, it is a free action to direct them in combat. Of course, you use the Ride skill, since you're riding it.

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Control Mount in Battle
As a move action, you can attempt to control a light horse, pony, heavy horse, or other mount not trained for combat riding  while in battle. If you fail the Ride check, you can do nothing else in that round. You do not need to roll for warhorses or warponies.

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If you direct your war-trained mount to attack in battle, you can still make your own attack or attacks normally. This usage is a free action.

Overrun is an attack, so you're directing it to attack. So it is a free action, since you've trained it as a war animal (Combat Riding is a set of tricks which warhorses already have, but that can be taught to any animal using Handle Animal).
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Re: Much confusion regarding mounts.
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2010, 04:45:24 PM »
Does it take the mount's actions then? Does my mount get actions?

So I can tell me mount to move his movement, and at some point Overrun on that movement. And I can make a full-round attack after the mount's movement. All in one turn. Yes/no?


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Re: Much confusion regarding mounts.
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2010, 04:50:51 PM »
If your mount moves farther then 5 ft. then you don't get a Full-Attack, only a single one. Because you have to wait for your mount to move close to the enemy.

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Re: Much confusion regarding mounts.
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2010, 04:57:22 PM »
If your mount moves farther then 5 ft. then you don't get a Full-Attack, only a single one. Because you have to wait for your mount to move close to the enemy.

Oooooh so the mount's movement counts as your Move Action. That makes sense...

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Re: Much confusion regarding mounts.
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2010, 05:00:11 PM »
If your mount moves farther then 5 ft. then you don't get a Full-Attack, only a single one. Because you have to wait for your mount to move close to the enemy.

Oooooh so the mount's movement counts as your Move Action. That makes sense...

Not really, you still have your move action, because you can reload and fire your crossbow, while the mount is moving.

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Re: Much confusion regarding mounts.
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2010, 05:04:06 PM »
If your mount moves farther then 5 ft. then you don't get a Full-Attack, only a single one. Because you have to wait for your mount to move close to the enemy.
That only counts for melee. You can make a full ranged attack just fine. You take penalties depending on how far your mount moves, though. See the Mounted Archery feat and here for details.
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If your mount moves more than 5 feet, you can only make a single melee ranged weapon while your mount is moving.
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Re: Much confusion regarding mounts.
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2010, 05:23:16 PM »
I think I understand, all of the following presented scenarios are possible in a single full round, correct?

Mount tramples opponent followed up by me full round ranged attacking
Mount tramples opponent followed up by me making a single melee attack

What if I have Pounce?
the Mount has Pounce?
Can my mount Overrun and Charge the same opponent?
Can my mount Overrun an opponent then charge another(assuming straight line)?

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Re: Much confusion regarding mounts.
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2010, 05:59:15 PM »
Overrun is a standard action. So no, it can't also charge.
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Re: Much confusion regarding mounts.
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2010, 06:31:48 PM »
What about the other questions? Does anyone know?

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Re: Much confusion regarding mounts.
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2010, 07:14:08 PM »
Overrun is stupid. (sorry, its true)

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Re: Much confusion regarding mounts.
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2010, 07:16:28 PM »
Overrun is stupid. (sorry, its true)

Not if you use a class from Dragon Magazine #317 that allows the mount to make a full round attack as a part of the Overrun. I think it's worth it then.

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Re: Much confusion regarding mounts.
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2010, 07:26:42 PM »
Overrun is stupid. (sorry, its true)

Not if you use a class from Dragon Magazine #317 that allows the mount to make a full round attack as a part of the Overrun. I think it's worth it then.
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Re: Much confusion regarding mounts.
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2010, 07:31:08 PM »
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Great Trample (Ex): At 8th level, if the ranger knight's mount is wearing light barding or no barding, and the ranger knight uses the Trample feat successfully, her mount may make a full attack.

So, no, I don't think so.

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Re: Much confusion regarding mounts.
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2010, 07:36:23 PM »
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Great Trample (Ex): At 8th level, if the ranger knight's mount is wearing light barding or no barding, and the ranger knight uses the Trample feat successfully, her mount may make a full attack.

So, no, I don't think so.
Yea I knew of that Prestige class. I thought there might have been a seperate base class :(
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Re: Much confusion regarding mounts.
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2010, 07:39:50 PM »
Sorry :(

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Re: Much confusion regarding mounts.
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2010, 07:44:28 PM »
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Great Trample (Ex): At 8th level, if the ranger knight's mount is wearing light barding or no barding, and the ranger knight uses the Trample feat successfully, her mount may make a full attack.

So, no, I don't think so.
Sure it works. Make your cohort a Ranger Knight or whatever and let him ride piggyback. :P
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Re: Much confusion regarding mounts.
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2010, 08:15:09 PM »
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Great Trample (Ex): At 8th level, if the ranger knight's mount is wearing light barding or no barding, and the ranger knight uses the Trample feat successfully, her mount may make a full attack.

So, no, I don't think so.
Sure it works. Make your cohort a Ranger Knight or whatever and let him ride piggyback. :P
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