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Lady's Gambit + Stone Power = free damage?
« on: February 05, 2010, 01:23:13 AM »
This may be old news, but... anyone thought of using this combo?


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Prereqs: Base Attack Bonus +6, Strength 13, Iron Will, Power Attack
Once per round as a Free Action, you may sacrifice up to your Character Level in hit-points (treat this as lethal damage that bypasses Damage Reduction). For the 1 round, you receive +N bonus on Attack and Damage, where N equals (hp sacrificed / 2).

Stone Power
When attacking, full attacking, or using a Stone Dragon maneuver, you can subtract up to -5 from your attack and gain 2x that number of temporary hit points which last until your next turn. It also counts as Power Attack for prereqs.

So... you could take 5 off your attack and gain 10 THP with Stone Power, then sacrifice 10 HP from Lady's Gambit to receive a +5 to hit (negating the penalty you took) and +5 to damage.

Since you can buy Iron Will for 3,000 gp, and Stone Power counts as Power Attack for prereqs, you really only need to take this one feat for +5 to damage. Right? That's not stupendous, but it is decent.
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Re: Lady's Gambit + Stone Power = free damage?
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2010, 01:37:42 AM »
-Note it says "Until your next turn" not the "Start of your next turn" making Crusader's delayed damage pool a somewhat useful thing to add to the combo.

-You could try comboing it with the Spell Fangs spell (the one in Anauroch, Empire of Shade), though, since it's capped by HD the usefulness of this combo is debatable.

-Warforged have a similar feat, but it works only on one Slam per round, 1 HP for 1d3 electric damage.

-I also note it doesn't seem to limit this to melee attacks, so you could add this to some spells too. +5 damage per scorching ray or something.
« Last Edit: February 05, 2010, 01:40:14 AM by telehax »

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Re: Lady's Gambit + Stone Power = free damage?
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2010, 04:28:31 AM »
Good find there, very nice synergy between the two feats and the crusader class.

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Re: Lady's Gambit + Stone Power = free damage?
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2010, 04:36:24 AM »
I use this feat on a lot of my Psi-gish, as Arcane Strike would be kinda clunky (not to mention WICKED) to transfer over to psionics.
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Re: Lady's Gambit + Stone Power = free damage?
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2010, 03:03:43 PM »
-Note it says "Until your next turn" not the "Start of your next turn" making Crusader's delayed damage pool a somewhat useful thing to add to the combo.

-You could try comboing it with the Spell Fangs spell (the one in Anauroch, Empire of Shade), though, since it's capped by HD the usefulness of this combo is debatable.

-Warforged have a similar feat, but it works only on one Slam per round, 1 HP for 1d3 electric damage.

-I also note it doesn't seem to limit this to melee attacks, so you could add this to some spells too. +5 damage per scorching ray or something.
Well, the first is copied/pasted from crystalkeep and the second is from memory, so don't put too much stock in the exact wording. ;)
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Re: Lady's Gambit + Stone Power = free damage?
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2010, 03:59:46 PM »
Lady's Gambit might be interesting to combine with one of those beasties with a damaging aura (like jovoc or a binder).  They take damage to fuel their own attacks, but every HP of damage they take also harms their foes.
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Re: Lady's Gambit + Stone Power = free damage?
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2010, 05:09:04 PM »
Its kind of like using Unerring Strike and Power Attack with a two handed weapon.


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Re: Lady's Gambit + Stone Power = free damage?
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2010, 05:52:12 PM »
I use this feat on a lot of my Psi-gish, as Arcane Strike would be kinda clunky (not to mention WICKED) to transfer over to psionics.
Not too clunky.

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Psychokinesis [see text]
Level: Psychic warrior 1
Display: Visual
Manifesting time: 1 swift action
Range: Touch
Target: Weapon touched
Duration: 1 round or until discharged
Saving Throw: Fortitude negates (object, harmless)
Power Resistance: No
Power Points: 1

Your next attack gains a +1 bonus on the attack roll and deals +1d4 damage.

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For every 2 additional power points you spend, you gain an additional +1 bonus to attack and deal an additional +1d4 damage.
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Re: Lady's Gambit + Stone Power = free damage?
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2010, 06:45:37 PM »
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Re: Lady's Gambit + Stone Power = free damage?
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2010, 06:48:01 PM »
Why isn't it Personal?
To avoid weird interactions with transparency+Persistent or something, perhaps? I'm looking at you, Kell. :P
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Re: Lady's Gambit + Stone Power = free damage?
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2010, 06:55:34 PM »
Why isn't it Personal?
I copied it from Weapon of Energy.
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Re: Lady's Gambit + Stone Power = free damage?
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2010, 07:06:34 PM »
It's two feats and 3000gp for +5 damage when you're touching the ground only.  I'm not seeing why that's terribly impressive.  I mean, it works, but it's not exactly doing much.

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Re: Lady's Gambit + Stone Power = free damage?
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2010, 07:22:05 PM »
It's two feats and 3000gp for +5 damage when you're touching the ground only.  I'm not seeing why that's terribly impressive.  I mean, it works, but it's not exactly doing much.

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Stone Power makes no mention of only working when you're touching the ground.  Only Stone Dragon manuvers, which are not required to be used with the feat.
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Re: Lady's Gambit + Stone Power = free damage?
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2010, 07:46:59 PM »
It's two feats and 3000gp for +5 damage when you're touching the ground only.  I'm not seeing why that's terribly impressive.  I mean, it works, but it's not exactly doing much.

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I plan on taking Stone Power either way, and I don't always have to use it to get extra damage. I can also use it the "normal" way (to negate the damage from my delayed damage pool). And Iron Will is probably worth 3000 gp by the time I take this feat, anyway.
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Re: Lady's Gambit + Stone Power = free damage?
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2010, 08:36:01 PM »
Why isn't it Personal?
Well arcane strike also isn't a personel effect, instead you have to do it for each weapon (thus if you TWF you have to spend twice the spell slots.)  That said all your natural weapons not just one benefit from the arcane strike ability.

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Re: Lady's Gambit + Stone Power = free damage?
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2010, 08:47:52 PM »
Why isn't it Personal?
Well arcane strike also isn't a personel effect, instead you have to do it for each weapon (thus if you TWF you have to spend twice the spell slots.)  That said all your natural weapons not just one benefit from the arcane strike ability.

It's 'next attack' anyways, right? So it doesn't matter which weapon you put it on. the only advantage of TWF would be the flexibility of being able to choose which weapon to use.

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Re: Lady's Gambit + Stone Power = free damage?
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2010, 08:54:47 PM »
I think it's all attacks with that weapon for one round.

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Re: Lady's Gambit + Stone Power = free damage?
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2010, 08:56:08 PM »
I think it's all attacks with that weapon for one round.

Then that makes sense. Prime's says 1 round or discharged and I was basing off that.

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Re: Lady's Gambit + Stone Power = free damage?
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2010, 01:06:42 AM »
Why isn't it Personal?
To avoid weird interactions with transparency+Persistent or something, perhaps? I'm looking at you, Kell. :P

Someone's figured out my MO, I see :P  I don't think I'd make it a power though...for just that reason.  Ocular it's ass and it can be persisted.  I'd say make it +1/+1d4 per odd power point total invested, up to ML, maybe?
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