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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #80 on: February 04, 2010, 02:54:39 AM »

As for the flame blade spell, I don't think it will be empowered, since the main effect is to summon the blade, not deal damage. The same reason why a monster summoned via empowered SM does not deal extra damage.

If you use a higher level SM spell to summon lower level monsters does the amount of monsters get empowered?

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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #81 on: February 04, 2010, 03:34:21 AM »
Yes, the number gets empowered.

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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #82 on: February 04, 2010, 10:52:38 AM »

As for the flame blade spell, I don't think it will be empowered, since the main effect is to summon the blade, not deal damage. The same reason why a monster summoned via empowered SM does not deal extra damage.

If you use a higher level SM spell to summon lower level monsters does the amount of monsters get empowered?

Yes, because the number of monsters summoned this way is a variable (in that there is a die roll directly involved). But a creature summoned via a maximized SM spell would not appear with max hp or deal max damage with its attacks.

Note that I feel there is nothing unbalanced about allowing say, a maximized flame blade to deal max damage with every hit, I just believe that is not the way it would work under the existing rules.
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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #83 on: February 04, 2010, 04:18:51 PM »
It's not a buff technically, but Vampiric Touch is one of my favorite candidates for metamagic (Simply because I love vampiric abilities, not because I deem it to be mechanically amazing).

Other spells that behave like it (Buffing you while doing something else), but aren't actually "buffs" may better suit your fancy and expand your results.
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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #84 on: February 04, 2010, 04:58:23 PM »
It's not a buff technically, but Vampiric Touch is one of my favorite candidates for metamagic (Simply because I love vampiric abilities, not because I deem it to be mechanically amazing).

Other spells that behave like it (Buffing you while doing something else), but aren't actually "buffs" may better suit your fancy and expand your results.
Vampiric touch is pretty mechanically awesome, though.

Mostly because of the untyped damage, and the fact that extra dice added onto it also heal you.
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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #85 on: February 04, 2010, 05:09:46 PM »
It's not a buff technically, but Vampiric Touch is one of my favorite candidates for metamagic (Simply because I love vampiric abilities, not because I deem it to be mechanically amazing).

Other spells that behave like it (Buffing you while doing something else), but aren't actually "buffs" may better suit your fancy and expand your results.
Vampiric touch is pretty mechanically awesome, though.

Mostly because of the untyped damage, and the fact that extra dice added onto it also heal you.

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« Reply #86 on: February 04, 2010, 05:16:36 PM »
No reason why IF wouldn't work if sneak attack does.
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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #87 on: February 04, 2010, 05:26:03 PM »
Mmm... I have a cleric with the Envy domain that can cast Vampiric Touch and has DMM: Chain spell. If I picked up a MM Rod of Reach spell, a Chained Reach Vampiric Touch could make for some good times.  :lmao
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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #88 on: February 04, 2010, 05:53:12 PM »
Mmm... I have a cleric with the Envy domain that can cast Vampiric Touch and has DMM: Chain spell. If I picked up a MM Rod of Reach spell, a Chained Reach Vampiric Touch could make for some good times.  :lmao
The temp HP from multiple castings doesn't stack, IIRC, which is unfortunate.
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« Reply #89 on: February 04, 2010, 05:58:21 PM »
Mmm... I have a cleric with the Envy domain that can cast Vampiric Touch and has DMM: Chain spell. If I picked up a MM Rod of Reach spell, a Chained Reach Vampiric Touch could make for some good times.  :lmao
The temp HP from multiple castings doesn't stack, IIRC, which is unfortunate.
That wouldn't technically be multiple castings, though.
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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #90 on: February 04, 2010, 06:05:21 PM »
A friend and I were just discussing a (vaguely) similar thing yesterday - assuming full transparency, would a Chained Psychic Reformation cost any more experience than a regular Psychic Reformation?

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« Reply #91 on: February 04, 2010, 10:08:16 PM »
A friend and I were just discussing a (vaguely) similar thing yesterday - assuming full transparency, would a Chained Psychic Reformation cost any more experience than a regular Psychic Reformation?
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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #92 on: February 04, 2010, 10:46:43 PM »
A friend and I were just discussing a (vaguely) similar thing yesterday - assuming full transparency, would a Chained Psychic Reformation cost any more experience than a regular Psychic Reformation?
When did psychic reformation gain an energy type?
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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #93 on: February 04, 2010, 11:03:49 PM »
A friend and I were just discussing a (vaguely) similar thing yesterday - assuming full transparency, would a Chained Psychic Reformation cost any more experience than a regular Psychic Reformation?
When did psychic reformation gain an energy type?

Why does it need one? I assume he's referring to using the Metamagic feat on it, given he mentioned transparency.

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« Reply #94 on: February 04, 2010, 11:29:25 PM »
It's not a buff technically, but Vampiric Touch is one of my favorite candidates for metamagic (Simply because I love vampiric abilities, not because I deem it to be mechanically amazing).

Other spells that behave like it (Buffing you while doing something else), but aren't actually "buffs" may better suit your fancy and expand your results.
Vampiric touch is pretty mechanically awesome, though.

Mostly because of the untyped damage, and the fact that extra dice added onto it also heal you.

Would IF?

I'm gonna feel like a fucking moron for asking this...but what is IF short for?
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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #95 on: February 04, 2010, 11:33:04 PM »
It's not a buff technically, but Vampiric Touch is one of my favorite candidates for metamagic (Simply because I love vampiric abilities, not because I deem it to be mechanically amazing).

Other spells that behave like it (Buffing you while doing something else), but aren't actually "buffs" may better suit your fancy and expand your results.
Vampiric touch is pretty mechanically awesome, though.

Mostly because of the untyped damage, and the fact that extra dice added onto it also heal you.

Would IF?

I'm gonna feel like a fucking moron for asking this...but what is IF short for?
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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #96 on: February 04, 2010, 11:38:34 PM »
It's not a buff technically, but Vampiric Touch is one of my favorite candidates for metamagic (Simply because I love vampiric abilities, not because I deem it to be mechanically amazing).

Other spells that behave like it (Buffing you while doing something else), but aren't actually "buffs" may better suit your fancy and expand your results.
Vampiric touch is pretty mechanically awesome, though.

Mostly because of the untyped damage, and the fact that extra dice added onto it also heal you.

Would IF?

I'm gonna feel like a fucking moron for asking this...but what is IF short for?
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:embarrassed  oh ok, thus the reason SA was also mentioned, in context of vampiric touch bad assery.  Here I was trying to find a spell that would abbreviate to IF :P
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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #97 on: February 05, 2010, 03:37:27 AM »
A friend and I were just discussing a (vaguely) similar thing yesterday - assuming full transparency, would a Chained Psychic Reformation cost any more experience than a regular Psychic Reformation?
When did psychic reformation gain an energy type?

Why does it need one? I assume he's referring to using the Metamagic feat on it, given he mentioned transparency.
Well, feats are one thing that aren't affected by transparency...and even if they are, psionics has its own version (which, incidentally, doesn't actually work with any power in the XPH, unless you count energy adaptation/energy conversion, which is iffy at best.
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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #98 on: February 05, 2010, 04:31:04 AM »
To be technical, we're using Limited Wish to emulate Psyref, and an Incantatrix to Chain it upon casting. But that isn't the point - it could be any spell that costs experience. Does chaining a spell that costs experience cost more experience than normal?

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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #99 on: February 05, 2010, 08:14:40 AM »
To be technical, we're using Limited Wish to emulate Psyref, and an Incantatrix to Chain it upon casting. But that isn't the point - it could be any spell that costs experience. Does chaining a spell that costs experience cost more experience than normal?

No, it doesn't. Nor does it cost more Gold to cast, either. A Twinned, Repeated Wish only costs 5,000 XP, even though you get 4 Wishes.
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