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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #100 on: February 05, 2010, 11:27:54 AM »
Well, feats are one thing that aren't affected by transparency...and even if they are, psionics has its own version (which, incidentally, doesn't actually work with any power in the XPH, unless you count energy adaptation/energy conversion, which is iffy at best.
Energy Ray works no problem.  So does Dissolving Weapon/Touch.  I agree, though, that it is extremely limited.  They should have left the clauses out about dealing energy damage.
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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #101 on: March 04, 2010, 01:22:11 PM »
I suppose this can be considered a buff

Mystic Lash from PGTF. Generally limited to Initiate's of Bane and Loviatar.

round/level up to a 4d6 electricity whip that can stun on a failed fort save, that is treated as a whip for combat maneuvers and feats.
Can release it to let it attack on its own, without combat maneuvers.

Can maximize, empower and even persist it.
So, essentially up to: 24 + 4d6/2 + cha mod electricity damage ranged touch attacks

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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #102 on: March 04, 2010, 01:37:15 PM »
I suppose this can be considered a buff

Mystic Lash from PGTF. Generally limited to Initiate's of Bane and Loviatar.

round/level up to a 4d6 electricity whip that can stun on a failed fort save, that is treated as a whip for combat maneuvers and feats.
Can release it to let it attack on its own, without combat maneuvers.

Can maximize, empower and even persist it.
So, essentially up to: 24 + 4d6/2 + cha mod electricity damage ranged touch attacks
you empower your cha mod too.

after all, an empowered MM explicitly empowers the +1 adder, too. and what is charisma to damage, other than another adder?
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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #103 on: May 07, 2010, 06:59:45 PM »
Again, not quite a buff

Extend Twin Repeat Maximize Empower: Abyssal Army(SpC)
(along with the usual Summoning buff feats)

2d4 Dretch, 1d4 Babau, 1 Vrock

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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #104 on: May 07, 2010, 07:58:44 PM »
I suppose this can be considered a buff

Mystic Lash from PGTF. Generally limited to Initiate's of Bane and Loviatar.

round/level up to a 4d6 electricity whip that can stun on a failed fort save, that is treated as a whip for combat maneuvers and feats.
Can release it to let it attack on its own, without combat maneuvers.

Can maximize, empower and even persist it.
So, essentially up to: 24 + 4d6/2 + cha mod electricity damage ranged touch attacks
you empower your cha mod too.

after all, an empowered MM explicitly empowers the +1 adder, too. and what is charisma to damage, other than another adder?

Oh god, is that true.  My sublime chord is running around with a thunderlance and a Cha of 60.  I might need to empower that beast.

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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #105 on: May 08, 2010, 12:52:01 AM »
Again, not quite a buff

Extend Twin Repeat Maximize Empower: Abyssal Army(SpC)
(along with the usual Summoning buff feats)

2d4 Dretch, 1d4 Babau, 1 Vrock

Conjure yourself a small army of obedient demons to do your bidding for the next few hours, while you sit back and scry.
Persist would be a cool addition to this. And it sounds like metamagic costs are already being broken with that many metamagic add-ons, so why not go for the straight jacket when one's already visiting the mental hospital (as it were)?
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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #106 on: May 08, 2010, 02:21:59 AM »
There are quite a few buffs of two types:

1) Damage Aura: I gain a damage aura that deals x/damage/round to all in x/area.

2) Weapons/Retributions: I gain a weapon that deals X/damage/round as an attack, or if I'm hit, enemy takes X/damage.

Examples:
Balor Nimbus (6d6 retribution to grapplers/round), Spiritual Weapon, Cloud of Knives (PHB2), etc, etc.

Check the Persistent Handbook for some more examples.

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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #107 on: May 08, 2010, 11:35:54 AM »
Again, not quite a buff

Extend Twin Repeat Maximize Empower: Abyssal Army(SpC)
(along with the usual Summoning buff feats)

2d4 Dretch, 1d4 Babau, 1 Vrock

Conjure yourself a small army of obedient demons to do your bidding for the next few hours, while you sit back and scry.
Persist would be a cool addition to this. And it sounds like metamagic costs are already being broken with that many metamagic add-ons, so why not go for the straight jacket when one's already visiting the mental hospital (as it were)?


Pretty simple without even going to Dragon Mag, Flaws, etc. Assuming I did the maths right.



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01Sorc Extend Spell
02Sorc
03Sorc Empower Spell
04Sorc
05Sorc
06Sorc Iron Will
07Incant
08Incant
09Incant Metamagic School Focus (Conjuration), B: Persist Spell
10Incant
11Incant
12Incant Maximize Spell, B:Repeat Spell
13Incant
14Incant
15Incant Practical Metamagic (Twin Spell), B:Twin Spell
16Incant
17Arcane
18Arcane Arcane Thesis (Abyssal Army)


Extend +1 (-1 Incant)
Empower +2 (-1 Incant, -1 AT)
Repeat +3 (-1 Incant, -1 AT, -1 MSF)
Maximize +3 (-1 Incant, -1 AT, -1 MSF)
Twin +4 (-1 Incant, -1 AT, -1 MSF, -1 PM)


And sure, Metamagic Effect Persist it, if it's a legal target.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2010, 10:39:54 AM by Nunkuruji »

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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #108 on: May 09, 2010, 03:29:35 AM »
You have to know the spell you are using Arcane Thesis for, so that's illegal.

Also, it has 9 ranks in Arcana as a prereq. Doubly Illegal.

You could self-DCFS your first level feat into it, however, at level 18.
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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #109 on: May 09, 2010, 10:40:51 AM »
You have to know the spell you are using Arcane Thesis for, so that's illegal.

Also, it has 9 ranks in Arcana as a prereq. Doubly Illegal.

You could self-DCFS your first level feat into it, however, at level 18.

fixed, was thinking like Spell Thematics, pick a spell at every level, for some odd reason.

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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #110 on: May 10, 2010, 06:54:08 AM »
If one wants some really simple cheese for metamagic, take 1 level in Metaphysical Spell Shaper (Book of Erotic Fantasy), then 1 level in Binder (Tome of Magic) to access the Naberius vestige.

So one can use ability score damage to fuel metamagic costs (at a 1-1 relationship), then have Naberius' fast ability score healing heal it all up in x rounds, where x is the points of ability damage one took.

Takes 1 caster level hit, and it works with every spell. 2 more levels in Metaphysical Spell Shaper even grant another metamagic feat and Improved Metamagic for everything. Obviously more useful to do on spells while not in combat.

Edit: Naberius is a first level Vestige.
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