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Buffs that can be Empowered?
« on: February 01, 2010, 04:20:31 PM »
What are some good buffs that work well with "blasting" type feats?  I.e. making GOD multitask.  Algid Enhancement comes to mind, and perhaps also Ruin Delver's Fortune.  What can we do with this?
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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2010, 04:30:04 PM »
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All variable, numeric effects of an empowered spell are increased by one-half.
Saving throws and opposed rolls are not affected, nor are spells without random variables.

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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2010, 04:31:41 PM »
The 3.0 versions of Bear's Endurance (can be found in SS) added 1d4+1 Enhancement bonus to the stat instead of the flat +4. Empower/Maximize makes them decent buffs (especially if you have the feat from the Dragon Compendium). Just use Spell Research to recreate them.


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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2010, 04:35:46 PM »
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All variable, numeric effects of an empowered spell are increased by one-half.
Saving throws and opposed rolls are not affected, nor are spells without random variables.

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I think that's specifically why he started the thread. To find "buffs" that have random variables.
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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2010, 04:53:19 PM »
Technically speaking, the "1 min/level" duration could be a variable effect, as it does change depending on your level, but I believe the intent of empower was only to effect die rolls, however the "affects half again as many targets" part may negate this interpretation.

But then again, I know this isn't what your looking for.

Greater Magic Weapon, +1 enhancement bonus per 4 caster levels.  Variable effect, so Empowerable.
Magic Vestment, same thing.


Not much by the way of empowerable buffs, but I only glanced through the SRD.

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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2010, 05:03:11 PM »
It can only be used on RANDOM variable affects. Which means things with dice rolls.

Algid Enhancement? Only going to empower the d8 temp HP. Unless you read it that it empowers the whole spell after cheesing entry into the Metamagic with just the d8 temp hp.

There is that one BoEF spell that grants d4s of untyped Cha bonus.

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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2010, 05:05:33 PM »
False Life and Aid can both be empowered, granting more temporary HP.
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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2010, 05:52:06 PM »
Spell turning.
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Speaking of which:
Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu].
Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"

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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2010, 06:05:07 PM »
The 3.0 versions of Bear's Endurance (can be found in SS) added 1d4+1 Enhancement bonus to the stat instead of the flat +4. Empower/Maximize makes them decent buffs (especially if you have the feat from the Dragon Compendium). Just use Spell Research to recreate them.

These are exactly the sort of thing I'd want to Empower.  Even research a variable version of chasing perfection for this very endeavor.

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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2010, 06:14:16 PM »
Time stop.
Hood - My first answer to all your build questions; past, present, and future.

Speaking of which:
Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu].
Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"

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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2010, 06:19:24 PM »
Unless you read it that it empowers the whole spell after cheesing entry into the Metamagic with just the d8 temp hp.

Okay I reread the metamagic and this works perfectly. The spell can't be affected if there aren't random variables. But if there are random variables, all  variable numerical affects are increase.

Algid Enhancement just became one of the best buffs in the game.

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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2010, 06:22:31 PM »
Might I inquire where Algid Enhancement can be found?
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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2010, 06:41:39 PM »
Algid enhancement is from Frostburn 88.

SHORT DESCRIPTION: Grant bonuses to creatures of the cold subtype
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Speaking of which:
Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu].
Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"

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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2010, 06:55:46 PM »
Ah, I knew that name looked familiar.  That really is a beauty of a spell.  Thanks!
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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2010, 07:15:31 PM »
Time stop.

No.

Extend Time Stop. I know this thread was for Empowering but, Extending Time Stop is much better then empower.

1d4+1, roll then double. There is your duration, rather then 1d4+1 +50%
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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2010, 07:38:02 PM »
Extend Time Stop. I know this thread was for Empowering but, Extending Time Stop is much better then empower.

1d4+1, roll then double. There is your duration, rather then 1d4+1 +50%


Wizards says that doesn't work because it's not actually a duration because it's only perceived time not actual time.  :looloo :rollseyes

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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2010, 09:20:55 PM »
Extend Time Stop. I know this thread was for Empowering but, Extending Time Stop is much better then empower.

1d4+1, roll then double. There is your duration, rather then 1d4+1 +50%


Wizards says that doesn't work because it's not actually a duration because it's only perceived time not actual time.  :looloo :rollseyes

Does this mean all [Figment] and the like spells cannot be extended because they are based upon perception?  :P
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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2010, 09:24:54 PM »
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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2010, 12:15:12 AM »
So, what spells involve a die roll and also give effects that scale with caster level?

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Re: Buffs that can be Empowered?
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2010, 03:58:08 AM »
Mirror Image gives a d4+CL/3 images, though I think only the d4 would get empowered since that's the only truly variable part of the spell.