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Re: Character creation
« Reply #280 on: February 12, 2010, 12:35:28 PM »
Bowen, a lot of the creatures on my summon list were vermin but now have an intelligence score.  How do you want me to do their feats and skills, if at all?
I take it you're talking about Fiendish critters?
I don't believe they gain any new skills or feats, and after checking the SRD, that doesn't mention any changes to skills or feats either, so I'm going with that.
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Re: Character creation
« Reply #281 on: February 12, 2010, 12:39:24 PM »
Bowen, a lot of the creatures on my summon list were vermin but now have an intelligence score.  How do you want me to do their feats and skills, if at all?
I take it you're talking about Fiendish critters?
I don't believe they gain any new skills or feats, and after checking the SRD, that doesn't mention any changes to skills or feats either, so I'm going with that.

The thing is, they go from 0 int to having an Int.

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Intelligence

Any creature that can think, learn, or remember has at least 1 point of Intelligence. A creature with no Intelligence score is mindless, an automaton operating on simple instincts or programmed instructions. It has immunity to mind-affecting effects (charms, compulsions, phantasms, patterns, and morale effects) and automatically fails Intelligence checks.

Mindless creatures do not gain feats or skills, although they may have bonus feats or racial skill bonuses.

They stop being mindless once they gain an intelligence score.
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Re: Character creation
« Reply #282 on: February 12, 2010, 12:41:12 PM »
Yeah... technically they should have feats and skill points. Even non-mindless vermin...
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Skill points equal to (2 + Int modifier, minimum 1) per Hit Die, with quadruple skill points for the first Hit Die, if the vermin has an Intelligence score. However, most vermin are mindless and gain no skill points or feats.
It makes for a bookkeeping nightmare, though...

Edit: Here is an example. Look at the stat block for the fiendish monstrous centipede.

Edit2: Wait... WTF?... It only has the bonus Weapon Finesse feat for the smaller ones... Ok, maybe they don't get them.  :lol Per the rules they certainly should, but I guess the designers didn't want to mess with figure it out, either?  :P
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Re: Character creation
« Reply #283 on: February 12, 2010, 12:46:11 PM »
It makes for a bookkeeping nightmare, though...

That's why I'm making a word document with all of the evil summons on my list and their stats post templates.   :D
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Re: Character creation
« Reply #284 on: February 12, 2010, 12:55:16 PM »
Okay... unless someone has a better idea for my last feat, I'll probably just default to Imp Init. :P I could take Stone Power and try to qualify for Shards of Granite, but my feats up to level 12 are already accounted for.
Still not done with equipment either... heh. I've got 2k to spend on random shit and mundane gear.
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Re: Character creation
« Reply #285 on: February 12, 2010, 12:56:48 PM »
I see where you're coming from, but I believe a change this big would definitely be mentioned in the Template, so I'm sticking with 'no' on this one, sorry.

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Re: Character creation
« Reply #286 on: February 12, 2010, 12:58:32 PM »
I see where you're coming from, but I believe a change this big would definitely be mentioned in the Template, so I'm sticking with 'no' on this one, sorry.

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One of the changes noted is that their intelligence becomes three.  That's the mention, the template isn't going to reiterate the rules that intelligent creatures gain feats.
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Re: Character creation
« Reply #287 on: February 12, 2010, 01:08:28 PM »
Any ideas about what feats you would want to give them, if I allowed it?
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Re: Character creation
« Reply #288 on: February 12, 2010, 01:10:30 PM »
Any ideas about what feats you would want to give them, if I allowed it?
For the Centipedes, I'd personally give them Imp Grapple, Martial Study (Any Stone Dragon), Martial Stance (Crushing Weight of the Mountain). :D
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Re: Character creation
« Reply #289 on: February 12, 2010, 01:11:57 PM »
Any ideas about what feats you would want to give them, if I allowed it?
For the Centipedes, I'd personally give them Imp Grapple, Martial Study (Any Stone Dragon), Martial Stance (Crushing Weight of the Mountain). :D
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Re: Character creation
« Reply #290 on: February 12, 2010, 01:13:49 PM »
Any ideas about what feats you would want to give them, if I allowed it?

No idea, that's why I asked you.  Feats would probably be along the lines of Ability Focus/Improved Natural Attack/ Improved Grapple since I doubt I'd be allowed to optimize them and give them feats like Martial Study.   :P

If you don't want to deal with the headache that's fine and I'll accept that completely, but the rules support me on this one, heh.
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Re: Character creation
« Reply #291 on: February 12, 2010, 01:17:40 PM »
Any ideas about what feats you would want to give them, if I allowed it?

No idea, that's why I asked you.  Feats would probably be along the lines of Ability Focus/Improved Natural Attack/ Improved Grapple since I doubt I'd be allowed to optimize them and give them feats like Martial Study.   :P

If you don't want to deal with the headache that's fine and I'll accept that completely, but the rules support me on this one, heh.
Yeah, I am leaning more and more to allowing it :P

Ow what the hell, go ahead, but keep it reasonable ;)
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Re: Character creation
« Reply #292 on: February 12, 2010, 01:22:25 PM »
Oh, shit, there were also the 10 free 1st-level potions Bowen said I could get in place of my subordinates... :P

A thought: What if one of my subordinates had maxed Handle Animal and made the horse a Warbeast one way before the start of the campaign? :P
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Re: Character creation
« Reply #293 on: February 12, 2010, 01:24:51 PM »
Warbeast is fine :P
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Re: Character creation
« Reply #294 on: February 12, 2010, 01:26:32 PM »
I just noticed something: A Warbeast Magebred Light Warhorse can be as fast as a Valenar Riding horse. Take that, arrogant sissy mongols. :P
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Re: Character creation
« Reply #295 on: February 12, 2010, 01:31:18 PM »
Any ideas about what feats you would want to give them, if I allowed it?

No idea, that's why I asked you.  Feats would probably be along the lines of Ability Focus/Improved Natural Attack/ Improved Grapple since I doubt I'd be allowed to optimize them and give them feats like Martial Study.   :P

If you don't want to deal with the headache that's fine and I'll accept that completely, but the rules support me on this one, heh.
Yeah, I am leaning more and more to allowing it :P

Ow what the hell, go ahead, but keep it reasonable ;)

Anything explicitly outlawed besides Martial feats?   :P
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Re: Character creation
« Reply #296 on: February 12, 2010, 01:36:59 PM »
Any ideas about what feats you would want to give them, if I allowed it?

No idea, that's why I asked you.  Feats would probably be along the lines of Ability Focus/Improved Natural Attack/ Improved Grapple since I doubt I'd be allowed to optimize them and give them feats like Martial Study.   :P

If you don't want to deal with the headache that's fine and I'll accept that completely, but the rules support me on this one, heh.
Yeah, I am leaning more and more to allowing it :P

Ow what the hell, go ahead, but keep it reasonable ;)

Anything explicitly outlawed besides Martial feats?   :P

Stuff like Entangling Exhalation, Battle Jump, Magic In The Blood :P
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Re: Character creation
« Reply #297 on: February 12, 2010, 01:42:44 PM »
I'll be able to front the cost of the No Light wand.
So I take it I'm carrying the wand? Do you want me to always use it at the start of any combat, are you going to give me some kind of signal, or should I just use my own judgement?
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Re: Character creation
« Reply #298 on: February 12, 2010, 02:26:11 PM »
I'll be able to front the cost of the No Light wand.
So I take it I'm carrying the wand? Do you want me to always use it at the start of any combat, are you going to give me some kind of signal, or should I just use my own judgement?
Sure.
How do I get Darkvision for 2,000 gp? :P
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Re: Character creation
« Reply #299 on: February 12, 2010, 02:30:06 PM »
I'll be able to front the cost of the No Light wand.
So I take it I'm carrying the wand? Do you want me to always use it at the start of any combat, are you going to give me some kind of signal, or should I just use my own judgement?
Sure.
How do I get Darkvision for 2,000 gp? :P
You have darkvision, from the mineral warrior template. The Ring of Darkhidden is 2000, though...

So I guess my first turn in most combats will look like this:

1) Activate wand/cast No Light
2) Take total cover from Tower Shield. :D

You might want to get one of those rings Nanshork, if you haven't already... and maybe some Darkvision.  :P
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