Character creation

[BowenSilverclaw]

Proto-Creature from Bestiary of Krynn is a +0 LA template that has some pretty interesting changes. Notably, +4 Strength, +2 Con and Rage as a Barbarian of their HD. You lose your race's Su abilities and SLAs, but regardless, that's a pretty great template for a bruiser.

So I just checked out BoK... Yes, it really is all that. It gives out even more Int and Cha penalties, though (-2 and -4, respectively). Seems like a great buy for Flumph, perhaps not so much for Harika, as she actually cares about her mental stats.

Yeah this template is insane...

You lose all (Su) and (SpA) but retain everything (Ex). Which includes DR.
Would you lose the Rage when you became Dragonborn? It is an inherited template.

I'd probably dump dragonborn if I took that. Rage and Madness as racial abilities? And physical instability from being not held together well? Sounds like flumph. Too many magical experiments in your family tree will do that to you.

Yeah, just looked it up, Proto-Creature is allowed.

Note that the Rage is based on Racial HD though, so you don't get that

[PhaedrusXY]

Hmm... decisions, decisions...

Edit: Ok, if I go with it, I'll drop dragonborn. His str will go up by 2 and cha down by 2. He'll lose his breath weapon, but regain a few minor things from mongrelfolk. Overall, I like it, because I want him to look really messed up, like Sloth in Goonies, and this fits that a lot better. So I think I'll go with it.

[Nanshork]

Any spell requests besides Rope Trick?

[Agita]

I can has Haste?
Other than that, look at some buffs and surprise us meatshields.

[bearsarebrown]

Any spell requests besides Rope Trick?

Snake's Swiftness, Mass will get insane when summons start being thrown around.

[Agita]

Hmm... drat, if the LA's free I'll actually have to think about using XP for bonding rituals at character creation, since those would cause me to still start a level lower.
I'd catch up after one encounter, though, and actually get a net XP gain from it (albeit one that is unlikely to matter).

[PhaedrusXY]

Hmm... drat, if the LA's free I'll actually have to think about using XP for bonding rituals at character creation, since those would cause me to still start a level lower.
I'd catch up after one encounter, though, and actually get a net XP gain from it (albeit one that is unlikely to matter).

Hmm... yeah, good point...

[VennDygrem]

Hmm, anything that gets me invisible/undetectable is good. Or anything that improves my damage output, or improves my ability to deal my ranged sneak attacks.

[VennDygrem]

Hmm, looks like my character's mostly done, but I keep going over on equipment.
That extra item sure would come in handy.

Guess I'll just have to extend my Wishlist instead.
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Say, this may be a longshot, but I couldn't retraint one or both of the exotic ranged weapons proficiencies from Targetteer for something else, could I? I'm planning on focusing on daggers, so the only exotic weapon I might even use is Drow Longknife since weapon focus (dagger) applies to it, and even then I'd likely only have one of those due to the costs involved.

I can understand if not, because it's technically a proficiency replacing martial melee proficiencies and those are almost never retrainable, but I figured I'd ask since getting specifically 2 exotic weapon proficiencies is a bit different.

Can't blame someone for trying, at least.

[BowenSilverclaw]

Just checked that issue of Dragon, and unfortunately they're not listed as feats, just as part of the class proficiencies, so I'm afraid that's a no go

[VennDygrem]

Can't blame someone for trying, at least.

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Close to being done. Just finishing specifics on equipment (Man, why'd I have to agree to give up that extra magic item? Even a small portion of the value would help ease the burden ), but otherwise I've started transferring data to MythWeavers and then I'll post up the character sheet to the thread.
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Are there any ACF's to swap out Trapfinding? I don't really have the skill points to devote to optimizing it and I'd be just as well off without it, I think. Whereas a real rogue has several levels of the class and more skillpoints than they know what to do with, I don't get to multiple by 4 and max many skills out this way.

[BowenSilverclaw]

Yeah, Trapfinding won't really be all that useful until later on in the campaign (be adviced though that even though there are only a few traps in this module, and pretty much only in the last part, they are NASTY...)

Not sure about swapping options though, seeing as you already have racial Poison Use IIRC...

[VennDygrem]

Hmm, in that case I guess I'll need to keep it. Problem is, if I don't have the skill points for it, then I need to invest heavily in other means. It's a big ol' game of Give-and-Take. :/

[BowenSilverclaw]

Eh, by the time it becomes important, you'll at least have Masterwork Tools and +5 Competence Items, so that should help somewhat...

[BowenSilverclaw]

Hmm... drat, if the LA's free I'll actually have to think about using XP for bonding rituals at character creation, since those would cause me to still start a level lower.
I'd catch up after one encounter, though, and actually get a net XP gain from it (albeit one that is unlikely to matter).

On the plus side, you can blow all your action points in the first encounter

[Agita]

Hmm... drat, if the LA's free I'll actually have to think about using XP for bonding rituals at character creation, since those would cause me to still start a level lower.
I'd catch up after one encounter, though, and actually get a net XP gain from it (albeit one that is unlikely to matter).

On the plus side, you can blow all your action points in the first encounter

True.

Maybe I should take Action Surge.

[PhaedrusXY]

Any spell requests besides Rope Trick?

Enlarge Person might come in handy, since Flumph is actually a humanoid now... That would give him 30' reach with his glaive, or 15' even without it. I was thinking of picking up a tower shield and club just to use in case I need AC (or cover) more than reach. I think he actually has enough encumbrance left over to carry it around...

Hmm... drat, if the LA's free I'll actually have to think about using XP for bonding rituals at character creation, since those would cause me to still start a level lower.
I'd catch up after one encounter, though, and actually get a net XP gain from it (albeit one that is unlikely to matter).

On the plus side, you can blow all your action points in the first encounter

True.

Maybe I should take Action Surge.

And retrain it after the first encounter?

I just realized that I am no longer forced to take Crusader as my first level, since I changed my feats around. However, I'm not sure that 8 more skill points is worth the loss of 4 hit points for this character... If I had the Trickery Domain for Hide as a class skill, maybe, since he gets a +4 racial bonus to Hide. But I don't think I'm willing to give up either Earth or Animal Devotion for that...

And even if he had Hide as a skill... if I really want to hide, I can simply burrow under the freakin' ground in most places to do it.  

I am very tempted to get Travel Devotion so I can use "mole tactics", but then I won't be doing my stated party role. I might get one of those Chronocharms of the Horizon Walker later so I can do that once per day if needed.

[bearsarebrown]

30ft reach is obscene. Have you considered an Awl Pike? It's a pole arm from Dragon Magazine that gives 15ft reach, so 20ft for you. This would give you 40ft when you're large I think.

[PhaedrusXY]

30ft reach is obscene. Have you considered an Awl Pike? It's a pole arm from Dragon Magazine that gives 15ft reach, so 20ft for you. This would give you 40ft when you're large I think.

Isn't that exotic? I'm also not really sure how that weird thing interacts with increases in size/reach. I've seen discussions on it, and it isn't clear. The same goes for the whip, of course.

[Agita]

I think there's a weapon in some obscure book that has 30 ft. reach at Medium. The fluff says it's used by riders of flying mounts, and also that it's usually made of some mithral-like material because it would be too damn heavy otherwise.