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How do you pull off a Schrödinger's cat schtick?
« on: January 30, 2010, 10:21:54 AM »
body outside body collar with stupidly high CL or something. Maybe a druid (never got much into their spellcasting, so I wouldn't know the best way to do this). Making him a Wizard and using a cat familiar as the base has the added advantage of having multiple "familiars", which could work as your very own spy network. At higher levels, share spells (as well as any familiar-involved shenanigans) gets multiplied by a ton.

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Re: How do you pull off a Schrödinger's cat schtick?
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2010, 10:44:10 AM »
Put the cat in a sealed box with poison ?

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Re: How do you pull off a Schrödinger's cat schtick?
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2010, 11:04:29 AM »
According to D&D, that would only make the kitty die.
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Re: How do you pull off a Schrödinger's cat schtick?
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2010, 11:10:33 AM »
But you wouldn't know until you open the box? Isn't that the experiment?

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Re: How do you pull off a Schrödinger's cat schtick?
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2010, 11:21:14 AM »
The percentiles aren't rolled until the box is open.....

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Re: How do you pull off a Schrödinger's cat schtick?
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2010, 11:30:31 AM »
That word you're using. I don't think it means what you think it does.

Anyway... maybe the epic feat Familiar Spell to allow the familiar to cast Body Outside of Body as a SLA? Then all of its clones can cast it, also. :P Or is there a way we could do this via spellstitching?
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Re: How do you pull off a Schrödinger's cat schtick?
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2010, 11:32:51 AM »
That word you're using. I don't think it means what you think it does.

Anyway... maybe the epic feat Familiar Spell to allow the familiar to cast Body Outside of Body as a SLA? Then all of its clones can cast it, also. :P Or is there a way we could do this via spellstitching?
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Re: How do you pull off a Schrödinger's cat schtick?
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2010, 11:37:58 AM »
Well... if you want to do Schrodinger's cat in the more traditional sense in D&D... I think your character in my D&D game is pretty close.  :smirk

I'd rather not contribute to spreading bastardized misinformation regarding the foundations of modern physics, though. So I'm not going to help with the other one until you give it a more appropriate name.  :D
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Re: How do you pull off a Schrödinger's cat schtick?
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2010, 11:40:00 AM »
Wait aren't undead both dead and alive at the same time?

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Re: How do you pull off a Schrödinger's cat schtick?
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2010, 11:46:00 AM »
Well... if you want to do Schrodinger's cat in the more traditional sense in D&D... I think your character in my D&D game is pretty close.  :smirk

I'd rather not contribute to spreading bastardized misinformation regarding the foundations of modern physics, though. So I'm not going to help with the other one until you give it a more appropriate name.  :D
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Re: How do you pull off a Schrödinger's cat schtick?
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2010, 01:46:56 PM »
Crusader w/ chaos stance and get a 1d2 weapon. Hit a cat. You never stop rolling for damage, so the cat takes infinite damage and is dead. But, since you never stop rolling for damage, the instant action of rolling takes an infinitely long time, so the cat is in some kind if temporal stasis as more and more damage is dealt to it. Sort of like Schrodinger's cat. 

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Re: How do you pull off a Schrödinger's cat schtick?
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2010, 01:50:42 PM »
Crusader w/ chaos stance and get a 1d2 weapon. Hit a cat. You never stop rolling for damage, so the cat takes infinite damage and is dead. But, since you never stop rolling for damage, the instant action of rolling takes an infinitely long time, so the cat is in some kind if temporal stasis as more and more damage is dealt to it. Sort of like Schrodinger's cat. 
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Time paradoxes seem similar to me. ;)
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Re: How do you pull off a Schrödinger's cat schtick?
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2010, 01:57:38 PM »
There was a rainbow cat of some sort in 1st or 2nd Ed that could spawn like 5 duplicates of itself, perhaps a 3.x port of that?
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Re: How do you pull off a Schrödinger's cat schtick?
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2010, 03:24:41 PM »
Crusader w/ chaos stance and get a 1d2 weapon. Hit a cat. You never stop rolling for damage, so the cat takes infinite damage and is dead. But, since you never stop rolling for damage, the instant action of rolling takes an infinitely long time, so the cat is in some kind if temporal stasis as more and more damage is dealt to it. Sort of like Schrodinger's cat. 
There's a similar thing that actually happens in Super Smash Bros. Melee for the GCN--and maybe even its sequel, Brawl--called the "Black Hole" glitch. Characters inside it are indefinitely stunned.

Anyways, I quote to point out that there's another similar thing in physics where, mathematically, a bouncing ball never stops bouncing when you repeatedly calculate halving its distance, but practically, a bouncy ball stops bouncing. The formula used for the sum of an infinite geometric series (S=a/(1-r), where S is the sum, a is the initial value (height the ball is dropped from), and r is to what height the ball will bounce) does not break a calculator because the calculator does round stuff off. In DND, you'd do the same, once your target reaches -10 hit-points, there's no need to roll more dice.

addendum: -8 GMT, 31-01-10, 10:27, not that you were rolling dice in the first place. That trick has been disputed. Lastly, the cat isn't in a temporal stasis, the world is.

addendum 2: -8 GMT, 31-01-10, 10:29, to the point of the thread, if you mean "how does one multiply indefinitely", I think that was one of the dirty tricks. One way was something like using Protean Scourges, and another would use infinite spells, but infinite spells is a trick all its own.

addendum 3: -8 GMT, 31-01-2010, 10:33,
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3) any object you wish to copy.

Description: My current druids nickname has become Xerox. If I need cash, I grab any mundane item, usually a high price gem. I then Improved Wildshape: Monsterous Humanoid into a Protean Scourge (MM3). My Assume supernatural ability is set to it's Split ability. For the mere cost of a single point of nonleathal damage, my character becomes two  :pint: , along with equipment. Two characters, each with expensive gems. I then set down both gems and take a minute to merge, pick up both gems and repeat.  :plotting:  :lightbulb  :evillaugh 

And someone told me druids were poor, tree-hugging hippies. Tell that to the one that owns three castles!  :cloud9:

I am currently getting info on some more brokenness to the combo, but this base works.

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Any Magic Item: Under the current wording and rules, it is unsure weither or not this works. The only other ability that referances the duplication of a character is the fission psionic power. The only feedback I've received thus far has told me that your LESSER duplicate (the one with negative levels or something) only gets a copy of your magical items without magical properties (i.e. your ring o' 3 wishes is just a gold ring with rubies). However, the protean scourge produces two EQUAL creatures.

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addendum 4: -8 GMT, 31-01-2010, 10:35, I think the dirty trick is called "Legion". Anyways, have fun exploring the archives now.

-8 GMT, 31-01-2010, 10:36, Reference(s):
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Re: How do you pull off a Schrödinger's cat schtick?
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2010, 03:42:31 PM »
There's a similar thing that actually happens in Super Smash Bros. Melee for the GCN--and maybe even its sequel, Brawl--called the "Black Hole" glitch. Characters inside it are indefinitely stunned.
Unlessyou put enough laserage into it to crash the console. Man that glitch is funny.
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Re: How do you pull off a Schrödinger's cat schtick?
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2010, 04:04:54 PM »
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Sadly, that's not working. Dangit.

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Any way I could do that with my familiar?
« Last Edit: January 31, 2010, 04:07:14 PM by Kuroimaken »
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Re: How do you pull off a Schrödinger's cat schtick?
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2010, 11:27:36 PM »
Crusader w/ chaos stance and get a 1d2 weapon. Hit a cat. You never stop rolling for damage, so the cat takes infinite damage and is dead. But, since you never stop rolling for damage, the instant action of rolling takes an infinitely long time, so the cat is in some kind if temporal stasis as more and more damage is dealt to it. Sort of like Schrodinger's cat. 
There's a similar thing that actually happens in Super Smash Bros. Melee for the GCN--and maybe even its sequel, Brawl--called the "Black Hole" glitch. Characters inside it are indefinitely stunned.

Anyways, I quote to point out that there's another similar thing in physics where, mathematically, a bouncing ball never stops bouncing when you repeatedly calculate halving its distance, but practically, a bouncy ball stops bouncing. The formula used for the sum of an infinite geometric series (S=a/(1-r), where S is the sum, a is the initial value (height the ball is dropped from), and r is to what height the ball will bounce) does not break a calculator because the calculator does round stuff off. In DND, you'd do the same, once your target reaches -10 hit-points, there's no need to roll more dice.

addendum: -8 GMT, 31-01-10, 10:27, not that you were rolling dice in the first place. That trick has been disputed. Lastly, the cat isn't in a temporal stasis, the world is.

Indeed, this trick has been argued over, and will be argued over more in the future without both sides being pleased, but IIRC, the stance forces you to keep on rolling w/o DM fiat. (and no sane DM would allow you to do that)
True about the world being in temporal stasis, but if the universe is in stasis, I believe the cat would be too. :P

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Re: How do you pull off a Schrödinger's cat schtick?
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2010, 12:43:43 AM »
But rolling dice is an out of character action. Those don't take anytime in the DND world. Do yours characters have to wait during sessions? Therefor technicly as soon as that crusader hits the cat BANG. End of the dnd universe without DM fiat as the following actions (in our world) would take infinite time but the DND ones would ot continue. Unless someone takes a standard action to hit the DM. But does ooc actions take actions? what are the rules for that? do players have to roll initiative to act too? or is there a player controlling us all?

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Re: How do you pull off a Schrödinger's cat schtick?
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2010, 01:50:55 AM »
Talking is a free action.

addendum: wait for the image-macro: -8 GMT, 31-01-2010, 20:52, holy crap, I got it word for word too; I don't browse tvtropes.org frequently.

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Re: How do you pull off a Schrödinger's cat schtick?
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