monk as a manufactured weapon and enchantments and weapon crystals....

[nijineko]

i've been skimming over all the related stuff i can find, which might be the problem since i'm not closely reading everything, and am not finding what i am looking for... can monks be enchanted as they count as a manufactured weapon, or have weapon crystals used on them? if not, what/where is the text that clarifies that, please?

[PhaedrusXY]

Their unarmed strike is not masterwork, and can't be made masterwork. That's really the only thing preventing it... In fact, if they had Greater Magic Weapon (or Fang) on their unarmed strike, they'd technically qualify for the crystals...

[KellKheraptis]

Their unarmed strike is not masterwork, and can't be made masterwork. That's really the only thing preventing it... In fact, if they had Greater Magic Weapon (or Fang) on their unarmed strike, they'd technically qualify for the crystals...

Which if I recall can be made permanent, right?  Then again if it's a warforged, it's a different story, since they can always use those on their natural weapons (since it's part of their body and they can enchant that).

[Nunkuruji]

Amulet of Natural Attacks, and put crystals on it (I think they qualify)

[nijineko]

hmmm, i'm not sure that they are not masterwork... living souls are the handiwork of the gods, or higher epic/other divine rank entities, depending on campaign specifics. that should qualify as masterwork by most definitions. besides... this is a monk. a monk's entire body is a masterwork weapon. (or should be.) they gotta have something to make up for the rest of the class... ah... challenges.

so by raw, the only thing preventing them from using weapon crystals or being weapon enchanted is that they are not explicitly listed as masterwork anywhere?

i'll look into the amulet bit. thanks for that tip. =D

[deuxhero]

Really, if Monk's UA not being masterwork was ever and issue I'd just drop some kind of 250 gold magic insense that made one natural attack/your unarmed strike count as masterwork (if not just give them it outright).

[The_Mad_Linguist]

Isn't there a purchase rate for warforged mercenaries?

Just build one with your craft check, and drop down the extra 150 gp to make it masterwork.

[PhaedrusXY]

hmmm, i'm not sure that they are not masterwork... living souls are the handiwork of the gods, or higher epic/other divine rank entities, depending on campaign specifics. that should qualify as masterwork by most definitions. besides... this is a monk. a monk's entire body is a masterwork weapon. (or should be.) they gotta have something to make up for the rest of the class... ah... challenges.

You're talking about flavor, and I'm talking about RAW. Does a monk get a +1 enhancement bonus to attacks because his Unarmed Strike is masterwork? No.

Yes, it's silly, but so is the idea of sticking a crystal into a socket in your fist (unless you're a warforged).

[SorO_Lost]

It should work fine with the necklace, if not I'm sure your DM will allow it anyway.

Also, monk is only two levels long and it's a fine class. Two bonus feats, wis to ac, all good saves, evasion, an extra attack. Combo with Shiba Protector (wis to att & dmg) and Fist of the Forest (con to ac, unarmed dmg goes up two levels, rage-like ability) for a decent unarmed attacker.

[Ramaloke]

Get the mighty arms construct graft, its only 1000gp, and replaces both arms. Id say they qualify as masterwork and can be enchanted.

[NiteCyper]

Kensai's Vorpal vein? Cut his jugular with your jugular!

[jojolagger]

Your focusing on the wrong point. CW Throw anything
"Benefit: You can throw a melee weapon you are proficient with as if it were a ranged weapon. The range increment of weapons used in conjunction with this feat is 10 feet." The DM will likely rule you lose the limb but then you flick nails at them and/or get regeneration. To quote the feat itself "In your hands, any weapon become a deadly ranged weapon." Including your hands.

[The_Mad_Linguist]

I don't think your hands are in your hands.  I mean, can you grasp while you grasp?

[Flay Crimsonwind]

I don't think your hands are in your hands.  I mean, can you grasp while you grasp?

What is the sound of one hand clapping? Can Pun-pun see why kid's love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

[NiteCyper]

What is the sound of one hand clapping? Can Pun-pun see why kid's love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

Why don't you eat up? I've killed all the food here with my bare hands...including the BEAR hands!

[Brainpiercing]

Your focusing on the wrong point. CW Throw anything
"Benefit: You can throw a melee weapon you are proficient with as if it were a ranged weapon. The range increment of weapons used in conjunction with this feat is 10 feet." The DM will likely rule you lose the limb but then you flick nails at them and/or get regeneration. To quote the feat itself "In your hands, any weapon become a deadly ranged weapon." Including your hands.

You can get this without any doubt using that stupid Necklace, considering it's the EXAMPLE given. (Throwing/Returning property on a natural weapon...).

I'd still go with Bloodwind instead.

[jojolagger]

I don't think your hands are in your hands.  I mean, can you grasp while you grasp?

The in your hands clause is only in the fluff.

[Sinfire Titan]

What is the sound of one hand clapping? Can Pun-pun see why kid's love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

Why don't you eat up? I've killed all the food here with my bare hands...including the BEAR hands!

LoL.

@OP: I'd personally allow it if the Monk had racial paragon levels...

[zavule]

You could always go FFVII and use gloves.  Actually, that's what my group usually does instead of the amulet of natural attacks.  But, just my two cents, no I don't think RAW you can enhance your own attacks with anything other than a permanency spell.

It should work fine with the necklace, if not I'm sure your DM will allow it anyway.

Also, monk is only two levels long and it's a fine class. Two bonus feats, wis to ac, all good saves, evasion, an extra attack. Combo with Shiba Protector (wis to att & dmg) and Fist of the Forest (con to ac, unarmed dmg goes up two levels, rage-like ability) for a decent unarmed attacker.

[skydragonknight]

I must confess that when I read the thread title I thought this would be about making a factory that mass-produced monks that are wielded by other creatures as weapons.