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Benifits to being a True Dragon (unrelated to Kobolds)
« on: January 05, 2010, 02:03:00 PM »
What benefit (beyond slightly more HP) does Steel Dragon Wyrmling wyrm of war/crusader/arbujant champion/JPM have over a human sorc/crusader/AC/JPM? The breath weapon is a bit iffy (1d6 is outdated by the time you get to ECL 6), spell resistance is seen as a weakness for players rather than a benefit, no one uses poison so resists is pointless, racial movement is VERY nice... but you lose it in alternate form (don't you want to use that so you can actually use magic items?), anyway to keep it in alt form? I know there are dragon only feats, are any of them worth using?

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Re: Benifits to being a True Dragon (unrelated to Kobolds)
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2010, 02:09:11 PM »
no one uses poison so resists is pointless
PCs don't often use poison. Monsters certainly do, and quite nasty ones at that.

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racial movement is VERY nice... but you lose it in alternate form (don't you want to use that so you can actually use magic items?), anyway to keep it in alt form? I know there are dragon only feats, are any of them worth using?
You can use magic items as a dragon, but the base item price will be higher for armor.
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Re: Benifits to being a True Dragon (unrelated to Kobolds)
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2010, 02:19:21 PM »
And since when is SR useless?
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Re: Benifits to being a True Dragon (unrelated to Kobolds)
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2010, 02:29:07 PM »
When buffs hit it?

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Re: Benifits to being a True Dragon (unrelated to Kobolds)
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2010, 02:33:20 PM »
Lower it voluntarily, you'll party-mates will let you know when they're going to buff you...
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Re: Benifits to being a True Dragon (unrelated to Kobolds)
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2010, 02:59:31 PM »

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Re: Benifits to being a True Dragon (unrelated to Kobolds)
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2010, 12:11:09 PM »
Use long-term buffs from your party members, and buff yourself in combat. You always overcome your own spell resistance, so you don't have to worry about it. Or you could take that feat from Drow of the Underdark to let you lower it as an immediate action, whichever works better for you. It's a slight investment, but the ability to take Dragon-only options can be worth it (Sovereign Archetypes come to mind as a fantastic choice).
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Re: Benifits to being a True Dragon (unrelated to Kobolds)
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2010, 01:38:31 PM »
I was looking at this a while back, and one setup I found was

Feat: Half-Dragon Form (Dragons of Eberron)
Steel Dragon Alternate Form: Flind (gnoll, humanoid)

Flind: +6 Str, +2 Dex, +4 Con
Half-Dragon: +8 Str, +2 Con

Basically giving you physical scores of

24 Str, 12 Dex, 16 Con


Compared to Polymorph or Draconic Polymorph, it's not ridiculous, but it at least seems to be a reasonable humanoid combat form. Not sure if you'd gain proficiency with the flind bar in the process.

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Re: Benifits to being a True Dragon (unrelated to Kobolds)
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2010, 02:03:08 PM »
Flind? Where is this Gnoll subrace? It's not  in the SRD, so I assume it isn't core.

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Re: Benifits to being a True Dragon (unrelated to Kobolds)
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2010, 03:07:07 PM »
Flind? Where is this Gnoll subrace? It's not  in the SRD, so I assume it isn't core.
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Re: Benifits to being a True Dragon (unrelated to Kobolds)
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2010, 03:10:38 PM »
Why does MMIII have so much stuff for players (non-psi Thrill-thingy, Eberron races, Fleshrakers ect)?

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Re: Benifits to being a True Dragon (unrelated to Kobolds)
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2010, 03:11:54 PM »
Why does MMIII have so much stuff for players?
Because it's awesome? Because the idiots at WotC assume that only DMs ever look at anything that doesn't specifically say "FOR PLAYERS" in big flashing letters?
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Re: Benifits to being a True Dragon (unrelated to Kobolds)
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2010, 03:17:20 PM »
The point of using steel dragon + wyrm of war for it was the fact that almost every level of JPM adds to your initiator level twice, since you have IL equal to your CL.

This is of debatable legality apparently, but I can see no reason why it shouldn't work.

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Re: Benifits to being a True Dragon (unrelated to Kobolds)
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2010, 03:18:24 PM »
Kinda like Bloodlines on a multi-classed Initiator :)
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Re: Benifits to being a True Dragon (unrelated to Kobolds)
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2010, 03:19:20 PM »
Kinda like Bloodlines on a multi-classed Initiator :)
Or Arcane Swordsage.
Come to think of it, what happens if you put ASS, Wyrm of War, and Bloodlines on the same character? :lol
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Re: Benifits to being a True Dragon (unrelated to Kobolds)
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2010, 03:21:11 PM »
Kinda like Bloodlines on a multi-classed Initiator :)
Or Arcane Swordsage.
Come to think of it, what happens if you put ASS, Wyrm of War, and Bloodlines on the same character? :lol
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Re: Benifits to being a True Dragon (unrelated to Kobolds)
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2010, 03:21:36 PM »
You learn that ASS is an idea for a class.

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Re: Benifits to being a True Dragon (unrelated to Kobolds)
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2010, 09:22:32 PM »
Kinda like Bloodlines on a multi-classed Initiator :)
Or Arcane Swordsage.
Come to think of it, what happens if you put ASS, Wyrm of War, and Bloodlines on the same character? :lol
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Re: Benifits to being a True Dragon (unrelated to Kobolds)
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2010, 04:09:32 PM »
You learn that ASS is an idea for a class.

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Re: Benifits to being a True Dragon (unrelated to Kobolds)
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2010, 04:50:59 PM »
I was looking at this a while back, and one setup I found was

Feat: Half-Dragon Form (Dragons of Eberron)
Steel Dragon Alternate Form: Flind (gnoll, humanoid)

Might I ask where in DoE that feat is found?
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