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Re: alternative ways to get new class skills
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2011, 12:37:41 AM »
Diplomance (T.o.-ish) a gawd to give you it's Possess Mortal SDA.
"Skills - The mortal can use its own skills and the deity’s skills. If the mortal and the deity have the same skill, use the skill of whichever has more ranks in the skill. Use the mortal’s effective ability scores to determine skill modifiers."


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Re: alternative ways to get new class skills
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2011, 07:57:54 AM »
Many cleric domains grant additional class skills as their granted power. I suppose you could use the planar touchstone feat and the catalogues of enlightenment location to get these granted powers. I'm wondering what would happen if you did that, assigned skill points using the granted power for a level or two, and then switched your feat to another touchstone?

The closest analogue I can think of off the top of my head is the classes that let you swap out levels of one class for another (blackguard, athar defiant, shadowcaster), all of which I think let you keep skills ranks you already have even though you become a character who couldn't have purchased them normally.

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Re: alternative ways to get new class skills
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2011, 10:52:09 AM »
I believe general consensus in similar situations is that that sort of thing works, but is frowned upon during character generation.
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Re: alternative ways to get new class skills
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2011, 11:18:50 AM »
Flexible Mind [Anarchic]

touchstone CoE, assign skill points, switch feat

swap classes
I believe general consensus in similar situations is that that sort of thing works, but is frowned upon during character generation.
It's as practical as Inspire Greatness and the Ghost template class. I'm only poking sleep-deprived fun I think the process should be established, like the Embrace & Shun the Dark Chaos trick, rather than frowned upon.
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Re: alternative ways to get new class skills
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2011, 12:44:24 PM »
I'm, personally speaking, fine with it for a chameleon, since on a scale from one to ten, I'd rate the dumbness of chameleons not getting all skills as class skills at around an eight.
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Re: alternative ways to get new class skills
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2011, 03:29:02 AM »
Nightbringer Initiate is in Faiths of Eberron, not Magic of Eberron as listed.
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Re: alternative ways to get new class skills
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2011, 09:31:43 AM »
Education is also a Dragonlance campaign feat. I'm pretty sure there is a PrC or two in that setting that help this, but I don't remember which one(s).

And shouldn't this be in Handbooks?
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Re: alternative ways to get new class skills
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2011, 01:51:10 PM »
Education is also a Dragonlance campaign feat. I'm pretty sure there is a PrC or two in that setting that help this, but I don't remember which one(s).

And shouldn't this be in Handbooks?
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Handbooks incorporate more than "choose these options for this kind of character".  Bunko's, for example, is a handbook.  Surreal's index is a handbook.  This is a handbook.
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Re: alternative ways to get new class skills
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2011, 11:06:36 PM »
Nightbringer Initiate is in Faiths of Eberron, not Magic of Eberron as listed.

You know, I noticed this as well last night. 


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Re: alternative ways to get new class skills
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2011, 10:37:12 AM »
Bunko's, for example, is a handbook.  Surreal's index is a handbook.  This is a handbook.
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Re: alternative ways to get new class skills
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2011, 10:40:57 AM »
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Re: alternative ways to get new class skills
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2011, 10:06:19 PM »
Autohypnosis ... feat in Dragon #349 adds it, with a +2 and some weird restrictions.

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Re: alternative ways to get new class skills
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2011, 10:36:39 PM »
Cityscape's web enchancment has a couple of things to switch class skills around for being a cityfolk rather than a total all around adventurer.

Most notable is the ability to replace ride with tumble.

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Re: alternative ways to get new class skills
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2011, 03:15:27 AM »
You're disagreeing with a lot of precedent.
The fear one is a handbook. Metamagic is a compilation. Wands is a handbook (but its not finished), as is the poison one. The size one isn't and neither are the planetouched and free guide threads.
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An interesting read, nice to see a civil discussion
The point of Spell Resistance is to make it harder to get buffed.
And healed. Don't forget that.
Huge amounts of people are fuckwits. That doesn't mean that fuckwit is a valid lifestyle.
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Your a shifter... you have all you ever need.
It blows MoMF out of the water

But if your greedy for more [Wish] for something that only effects you, like another class level or two that doesn't count against your ECL.
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Re: alternative ways to get new class skills
« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2011, 03:50:53 AM »
You're disagreeing with a lot of precedent.
The fear one is a handbook. Metamagic is a compilation. Wands is a handbook (but its not finished), as is the poison one. The size one isn't and neither are the planetouched and free guide threads.
The Planetouched Handbook quite clearly is a handbook, as it goes beyond simply vomiting a list of races onto the page.

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Re: alternative ways to get new class skills
« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2011, 10:51:20 AM »
Hmm, looks like I have a bit of updating to do... right after the busy weekend...
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Re: alternative ways to get new class skills
« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2011, 10:14:29 PM »
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