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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #620 on: January 20, 2010, 10:28:46 PM »
Q 165 I've asked this in another thread, but I thought I'd get everyone's opinion. It says in the published book of Shackled City that the players probably shouldn't have completely green characters, and maybe an introductory adventure that lead to the Shackled City would be best. Especially since all of the characters should be ECL 3 by the time they finish the first section with the skulks. Any suggestions on what introductory adventure would be best?

Shattered Gates of Slaughter-guard or something like that... it's a first level one about goblins. Very simple.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #621 on: January 20, 2010, 10:31:10 PM »
A165:

Do you want them to advance their characters to 3rd level?

If not, Sons of Gruumsh FR adventure 4th level to 6th if they are lucky..
Sons of Gruumsh looked pretty cool. I was thinking of just having them go from 1st to 2nd. Just a starting out adventure.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #622 on: January 20, 2010, 10:32:56 PM »
Sunless Citadel can be fun, and easily make most parties 3rd level, possibly 4th ,depending on how they go.
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They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #623 on: January 20, 2010, 10:35:43 PM »
Sunless Citadel can be fun, and easily make most parties 3rd level, possibly 4th ,depending on how they go.
I was thinking more of a one-shot like these. http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/oa/20030530b&page=1 Although I don't think any of these fit.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #624 on: January 20, 2010, 11:04:02 PM »
Q166: Does the Uncanny Trickster PrC advance spellcasting?
I'm too lazy to even read its text.

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Levels 2 and 3 are +1 level of existing class features

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #625 on: January 20, 2010, 11:14:21 PM »
Q166: Does the Uncanny Trickster PrC advance spellcasting?
I'm too lazy to even read its text.

A166:
Levels 2 and 3 are +1 level of existing class features
That doesn't answer my question. The simple question is: is spellcasting a class feature (to be advanced by such classes as Legacy Knight or Uncanny Trickster (in particular))?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #626 on: January 20, 2010, 11:15:20 PM »
Q166: Does the Uncanny Trickster PrC advance spellcasting?
I'm too lazy to even read its text.

A166:
Levels 2 and 3 are +1 level of existing class features
That doesn't answer my question. The simple question is: is spellcasting a class feature (to be advanced by such classes as Legacy Knight or Uncanny Trickster (in particular))?
Spellcasting is a class feature, so....yes
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A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time.  I give you much fu.
Three Errata for the Mage-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #627 on: January 21, 2010, 12:45:21 AM »
Q167 Timeless Body states ""A druid no longer takes ability score penalties for aging and cannot be magically aged" is there anything that magically ages people (and if so, what), or is this an artifact of the days when haste would age whoever it was cast on?

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #628 on: January 21, 2010, 12:48:36 AM »
Q167 Timeless Body states ""A druid no longer takes ability score penalties for aging and cannot be magically aged" is there anything that magically ages people (and if so, what), or is this an artifact of the days when haste would age whoever it was cast on?

It's an artifact, pretty much.  There might be some faerunian splatbooks with aging stuff, but nothing in the core rules (except the open clauses in wish and miracle, I guess)
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #629 on: January 21, 2010, 01:10:01 AM »
Q167 Timeless Body states ""A druid no longer takes ability score penalties for aging and cannot be magically aged" is there anything that magically ages people (and if so, what), or is this an artifact of the days when haste would age whoever it was cast on?

It's an artifact, pretty much.  There might be some faerunian splatbooks with aging stuff, but nothing in the core rules (except the open clauses in wish and miracle, I guess)

Also the variant curse rules from the book of vile darkness can age a creature. (Which is crazy when coupled with true dragons)

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #630 on: January 21, 2010, 01:17:15 AM »
Q167 Timeless Body states ""A druid no longer takes ability score penalties for aging and cannot be magically aged" is there anything that magically ages people (and if so, what), or is this an artifact of the days when haste would age whoever it was cast on?

The Phane can age people.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #631 on: January 21, 2010, 01:18:03 AM »
Q167 Timeless Body states ""A druid no longer takes ability score penalties for aging and cannot be magically aged" is there anything that magically ages people (and if so, what), or is this an artifact of the days when haste would age whoever it was cast on?

The Phane can age people.
Time dragons can do so with their breath weapon as well.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #632 on: January 21, 2010, 01:38:44 AM »
Q168: Is there any way to get evasion faster than the ring or the first two levels of either monk or rogue?

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #633 on: January 21, 2010, 01:42:53 AM »
Q168: Is there any way to get evasion faster than the ring or the first two levels of either monk or rogue?
Not likely. Unearthed Arcana states that Evasion's requirements are a minimum of a Reflex of +3. So unless you took Lightning Reflexes at first level, with a class with strong Reflex, and the DM allowed the Evasion ability outside of the bonus feat for generic classes (ie UA's Expert, Warrior, Spellcaster), and/or allowed generic classes to be part of the regular list, chances are no.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #634 on: January 21, 2010, 01:54:46 AM »
Aren't generic classes considered usable by normal PCs anyways? They're weaker versions. Of course, (one of) the only good use(s) for them is dipping.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #635 on: January 21, 2010, 02:13:25 AM »
Aren't generic classes considered usable by normal PCs anyways? They're weaker versions. Of course, (one of) the only good use(s) for them is dipping.

No actually. They're specifically called out only for use in games where they are the only classes. Much like PrC Bard/Ranger/Paladin can't exist in the same world as Bards/Rangers and Paladins.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #636 on: January 21, 2010, 02:22:26 AM »
Aren't generic classes considered usable by normal PCs anyways? They're weaker versions. Of course, (one of) the only good use(s) for them is dipping.

No actually. They're specifically called out only for use in games where they are the only classes. Much like PrC Bard/Ranger/Paladin can't exist in the same world as Bards/Rangers and Paladins.

Doooh, that's just a guideline! Why can't Bards and Rangers go together? I just checked the SRD; it can't be due to alignment...right?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #637 on: January 21, 2010, 02:45:54 AM »
No actually. They're specifically called out only for use in games where they are the only classes. Much like PrC Bard/Ranger/Paladin can't exist in the same world as Bards/Rangers and Paladins.
Doooh, that's just a guideline! Why can't Bards and Rangers go together? I just checked the SRD; it can't be due to alignment...right?
Bards and Rangers work just fine together. It's that Prestige Bards, Prestige Paladins, and Prestige Rangers can't exist in the same world as a regular Ranger, Bard, or Paladin. That's like trying to cross-class an Urban Ranger with a Ranger. They're the same thing. You can't be both. Unless the DM says straight out that those three classes don't exist as base classes, you can't take the prestige version. And while, yes, it's a guideline, chances are your DM won't allow a non NPC character to have them when regular classes are readily available.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #638 on: January 21, 2010, 03:18:39 AM »
A 168: Shadow Creature template, Lords of Madness
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: The Revenge of the Grue
« Reply #639 on: January 21, 2010, 03:24:57 AM »
A 168: Shadow Creature template, Lords of Madness

LA +2.
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