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Re: Spells that deserve more attention!
« Reply #80 on: December 29, 2009, 06:15:33 PM »
Thus one more reason my favorite book is borked as all hell, since it exists as a Sor/Wiz Transmutation there, along with every other spell in existence :)
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Re: Spells that deserve more attention!
« Reply #81 on: December 29, 2009, 06:31:57 PM »
Still doesn't work, unfortunately, no matter what list it's on. The target is one good creature touched.

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Re: Spells that deserve more attention!
« Reply #82 on: December 29, 2009, 06:34:17 PM »
Still doesn't work, unfortunately, no matter what list it's on. The target is one good creature touched.

Doesn't say anything about my NG familiar sharing it with me though ;)

EDIT : And aren't there also ways of appearing/seeming to be another alignment?  They'd seem almost tailor-made for this sort of thing.
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Re: Spells that deserve more attention!
« Reply #83 on: December 29, 2009, 06:36:31 PM »

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Re: Spells that deserve more attention!
« Reply #84 on: December 29, 2009, 06:38:06 PM »
Ah, but are you sure you can cast a spell on your familiar and have him share it with you? I don't believe share spells works that way. If it does, we need to get on optimizing that.

Edit: Yeah, those probably work fine. They probably wouldn't let Good-aligned characters cast Corrupt spells, though. That would be fun.

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Re: Spells that deserve more attention!
« Reply #85 on: December 29, 2009, 06:40:48 PM »
Ah, but are you sure you can cast a spell on your familiar and have him share it with you? I don't believe share spells works that way. If it does, we need to get on optimizing that.

Edit: Yeah, those probably work fine. They probably wouldn't let Good-aligned characters cast Corrupt spells, though. That would be fun.

Most of the nasty Corrupt spells (and I think most of the really nice Good spells too) are either Evocations or Conjurations, so ironically, SCM's can blithely ignore the alignment requirements and cost, as they're imitating the spell with shadow stuff :P
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Re: Spells that deserve more attention!
« Reply #86 on: December 29, 2009, 06:53:05 PM »
Still doesn't work, unfortunately, no matter what list it's on. The target is one good creature touched.
That's ok. Several of my partymates are good. It's just that I'm not. :D And I wouldn't want to use it on myself, anyway, because it wouldn't work well with my Cloak of Shadow ability.  (I think the Luminous Armor might even be totally suppressed, since Cloak of Shadows counts as a 3rd level darkness effect).

Ah, but are you sure you can cast a spell on your familiar and have him share it with you? I don't believe share spells works that way. If it does, we need to get on optimizing that.

Edit: Yeah, those probably work fine. They probably wouldn't let Good-aligned characters cast Corrupt spells, though. That would be fun.

Most of the nasty Corrupt spells (and I think most of the really nice Good spells too) are either Evocations or Conjurations, so ironically, SCM's can blithely ignore the alignment requirements and cost, as they're imitating the spell with shadow stuff :P
Nice!!! :D


Edit: It looks like they're mostly abjuration/transmutation to me.
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Re: Spells that deserve more attention!
« Reply #87 on: December 29, 2009, 07:05:59 PM »
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Re: Spells that deserve more attention!
« Reply #88 on: December 29, 2009, 07:14:06 PM »
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Guess who my DM is? :lmao


Edit: Does this actually work though? Are they considered "wizard/sorcerer" spells, just because some (i.e., non-evil) wizards can cast them? I mean... some wizards can cast Divine Power via Arcane Disciple, but I don't think that means that all SCMs can cast it.
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Re: Spells that deserve more attention!
« Reply #89 on: December 29, 2009, 08:21:06 PM »
Whispering Flame (2 cleric/druid)- talk through two candles for day/cl. (five nations)

Leap Into Animal (2 ranger/druid)- jump into a willing animal and mind control it for the min/cl. Awesome for scouting at low levels, especially if you have something like a mouse or raven. (magic of eberron)



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Re: Spells that deserve more attention!
« Reply #90 on: January 05, 2010, 02:11:32 AM »
Spell Compendium has heroics.  Martial Study and Martial Stance are [Fighter] feats and thus legal!
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Re: Spells that deserve more attention!
« Reply #91 on: January 05, 2010, 05:50:48 AM »
Spell Compendium has heroics.  Martial Study and Martial Stance are [Fighter] feats and thus legal!

ah, but do multiple uses of heroics stack?

Is there any good way to abuse Transcend Mortality?  Spellguard of silverymoon has been suggested.

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Re: Spells that deserve more attention!
« Reply #92 on: January 05, 2010, 11:17:18 AM »
Spell Compendium has heroics.  Martial Study and Martial Stance are [Fighter] feats and thus legal!

ah, but do multiple uses of heroics stack?

Is there any good way to abuse Transcend Mortality?  Spellguard of silverymoon has been suggested.

JPM to bypass the final death thingy.  IHS specifically (Die?  No thanks.).  Um...Dweomerkeeper to ignore those pesky soul components, SCM if they can get it, too.
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Re: Spells that deserve more attention!
« Reply #93 on: January 05, 2010, 11:35:00 AM »
Dewomer Vortex and Spell Fangs from Anauroch, Empire of Shade.


Dewomer Vortex is, without going into illegal amounts of detail, a level 3 spell which can dispel spells of level 3 or lower without dispel checks. But it can also simply auto counter these spells if they target you or have you in the area. It has a max spell-levels dispelled/countered limit. At levels 5-6 it's intensely better than dispel, and after that it remains as a very interesting niche use spell.

Spell Fangs is a level 4 evocation spell. But if you can get over that prejudice- Well, basically, as with any spell which creates dXes of things which each deal dXs of damage, incredibly amusing when combined with maximize spell. In this case, it's 1d6+2 tentacles with 2d6+CL damage each. Ranged Touch. BUT THAT'S NOT ALL: 30ft REACH WHIPS. YOU GAIN TEMPORARY HP EQUAL TO THE AMOUNT OF DAMAGE DEALT FOR ONE ROUND. DURATION OF CONCENTRATION. BUY TODAY AND YOU GET A FREE- eh. whatver.

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Re: Spells that deserve more attention!
« Reply #94 on: January 05, 2010, 11:40:24 AM »
Dewomer Vortex and Spell Fangs from Anauroch, Empire of Shade.


Dewomer Vortex is, without going into illegal amounts of detail, a level 3 spell which can dispel spells of level 3 or lower without dispel checks. But it can also simply auto counter these spells if they target you or have you in the area. It has a max spell-levels dispelled/countered limit. At levels 5-6 it's intensely better than dispel, and after that it remains as a very interesting niche use spell.

Spell Fangs is a level 4 evocation spell. But if you can get over that prejudice- Well, basically, as with any spell which creates dXes of things which each deal dXs of damage, incredibly amusing when combined with maximize spell. In this case, it's 1d6+2 tentacles with 2d6+CL damage each. Ranged Touch. BUT THAT'S NOT ALL: 30ft REACH WHIPS. YOU GAIN TEMPORARY HP EQUAL TO THE AMOUNT OF DAMAGE DEALT FOR ONE ROUND. DURATION OF CONCENTRATION. BUY TODAY AND YOU GET A FREE- eh. whatver.

That just turned my Warmages into Kraken, and my Master Spellmage into Kthulu :lmao
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Re: Spells that deserve more attention!
« Reply #95 on: January 05, 2010, 12:22:24 PM »
Spell Fangs is a level 4 evocation spell. But if you can get over that prejudice- Well, basically, as with any spell which creates dXes of things which each deal dXs of damage, incredibly amusing when combined with maximize spell. In this case, it's 1d6+2 tentacles with 2d6+CL damage each. Ranged Touch. BUT THAT'S NOT ALL: 30ft REACH WHIPS. YOU GAIN TEMPORARY HP EQUAL TO THE AMOUNT OF DAMAGE DEALT FOR ONE ROUND. DURATION OF CONCENTRATION. BUY TODAY AND YOU GET A FREE- eh. whatver.
Wow! holy crap, that must be the big brother to this one I posted on page 2:
Toothed Tentacle: (2nd level Evocation spell, grants three 2d6 attacks with 30 foot reach, AB = CL + stat, dur=concentration up to 1 rnd/lvl)

I just got that one from a list of good evocation spells, which I was picking over for my cloistered cleric/SCM. I just got the ability to cast 4th level spells with him, though...  I'm not sure if the upgrade is worth a +2 increase in spell level, though. The THP would be nice, but I can't afford to maximize it, and the damage boost isn't huge... Well... I guess if I rolled well on the number of tentacles, it might be worth it. :D
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Re: Spells that deserve more attention!
« Reply #96 on: January 05, 2010, 12:25:17 PM »
it's actually described as a better version of toothed tentacle.


EDIT: Gah guess I remembered it wrong. It's CL+Casting Ability attack roll and just 2d6 damage (no +CL)
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« Reply #97 on: January 05, 2010, 12:30:58 PM »
Yeah... I don't think it is worth the +2 spell level upgrade for me, then. If you could maximize it, maybe.
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Re: Spells that deserve more attention!
« Reply #98 on: January 06, 2010, 07:18:12 PM »
As far as spell conservation goes though, for a second level spell, its worth it.

It will last the whole battle

Its 6d6 (if you attack the same target with all of them), which is at least around the kind of damage you'll get using a reserve feat; which then ends up saving you a feat.

If warmages learn it then its 2d6 + int...which makes it pretty decent for warmages.

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« Reply #99 on: January 06, 2010, 07:22:06 PM »
As far as spell conservation goes though, for a second level spell, its worth it.

It will last the whole battle

Its 6d6 (if you attack the same target with all of them), which is at least around the kind of damage you'll get using a reserve feat; which then ends up saving you a feat.

If warmages learn it then its 2d6 + int...which makes it pretty decent for warmages.
Yeah, I wasn't arguing that. I definitely plan on using the 2nd level version. I am just not sure that the 4th level version is worth two more spell levels over the 2nd level version. If you could maximize it (without a further slot increase...), it would be. But I can't do that (yet).
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