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Heatfire Fanner + Mythic Exemplar.
« on: December 22, 2009, 09:35:16 AM »
We'll be using Reikhardt, of course.

The plan is X4/Mytic exemplar3/Heartfire Fanner 5/Mythic Exemplar+7/Y1

If i'm reading this right, this gives us IC as a Bard 9 at level 8, and a bard20 at Level 19.

The fun part is what to use for X.  1 level of sorceror is a no-brainer (and for a really silly game, Cheesewrought Kobold with Loredrake)  But what about the other three levels.  Either Marshal or Dragon Shaman is needed to get into ME, and I'm honestly thinking of a crazy fire themed build with Paladin (Harmonious Knight) to pick up dragonfire inspiration early.

Hmn....

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Dragon Shaman1/Sorceror1/Marshal2/Mythic Exemplar10/Heartfire Fanner5/?1

DS Auras (Vigor, Senses, Energy Shield)
Marshall Auras: (Motivate Dexterity, Resilient Troops, Force of Will)

H) Negotiator
1) Skill focus: Perform
3) Draconic Aura: Power
6) Practiced Spellcaster
9) Song of the Heart
12) Dragonfire Inspiration
15) Extra Music
18)

By level 10, this gives +2 Caster level checks, CHA+1 to Initiative, and Will Saves (after round1), +1 to ref/fort saves to all allies.

By level 20, that goes up to +4 CL checks and CHA+1 to Fort saves.

And then there's the glorious glorious bardic music.

There's also casting, but do we care?

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Re: Heatfire Fanner + Mythic Exemplar.
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2009, 01:30:53 PM »
Marshal/Dragon shaman lvls not required since Draconic aura fulfills the (ex) aura requirement. Debatable whether you can gain +aura lvls to classes you haven't taken tho.

2 lvls of bard would get your inspire lvl to breakpoint 12 and 1st lvl bard spells.

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Re: Heatfire Fanner + Mythic Exemplar.
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2009, 01:34:45 PM »
I advise against taking actual bard levels as they'll actually lower the IC you get with HFF. I'd personally go Marshal 1/Sorcerer 3, but that's just my personal preference for additional casting. If spells are a secondary considerations, DrS and/or Marshal seem fine.
Get SF(Perform) from the Heward's Hall magic location instead. Try asking the DM if he'll let your bonus feat from Marshal be Negotiator instead of SF(Diplo). Consider squeezing in Words of Creation for double IC bonus. The works.

Is this build by chance for a PbP game on MW? There's someone applying with a HFF/ME build for a game I'm also applying for (with a Binder) over there, with the same avatar as you. :D
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Re: Heatfire Fanner + Mythic Exemplar.
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2009, 06:04:20 PM »
I advise against taking actual bard levels as they'll actually lower the IC you get with HFF.

yep, tahts why there are no bard levels

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I'd personally go Marshal 1/Sorcerer 3, but that's just my personal preference for additional casting. If spells are a secondary considerations, DrS and/or Marshal seem fine.
Get SF(Perform) from the Heward's Hall magic location instead. Try asking the DM if he'll let your bonus feat from Marshal be Negotiator instead of SF(Diplo). Consider squeezing in Words of Creation for double IC bonus. The works.

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Is this build by chance for a PbP game on MW? There's someone applying with a HFF/ME build for a game I'm also applying for (with a Binder) over there, with the same avatar as you. :D

Yep, that's me.

I'm trying not to be too horribly cheesy.

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Re: Heatfire Fanner + Mythic Exemplar.
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2009, 06:28:24 PM »
I'm trying not to be too horribly cheesy.
Heward's Hall should be okay even with the warning against 'hunting out cheese', since it's essentially 5k gp for a crappy feat that you need as a prerequisite. Words of Creation probably wouldn't fly, though.
Is there a way to get some Bard spells onto the Sorcerer list?
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Re: Heatfire Fanner + Mythic Exemplar.
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2009, 06:30:11 PM »
I'm trying not to be too horribly cheesy.
Heward's Hall should be okay even with the warning against 'hunting out cheese', since it's essentially 5k gp for a crappy feat that you need as a prerequisite. Words of Creation probably wouldn't fly, though.
Is there a way to get some Bard spells onto the Sorcerer list?

Yeah, there's a reason I never actually use WoC in games...

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Re: Heatfire Fanner + Mythic Exemplar.
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2009, 06:47:57 PM »
Also, since the DM's apparently allowing one flaw, consider moving one feat (Draconic Aura maybe?) forward so you can start with DFI. ;)
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Re: Heatfire Fanner + Mythic Exemplar.
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2009, 06:53:53 PM »
Also, since the DM's apparently allowing one flaw, consider moving one feat (Draconic Aura maybe?) forward so you can start with DFI. ;)

DFI requires bardic music.  I can't get bardic music until level 7 unless I blow two feats on that cityscape skill boost, which lets me get it at 6.

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Re: Heatfire Fanner + Mythic Exemplar.
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2009, 07:11:12 PM »
Also, since the DM's apparently allowing one flaw, consider moving one feat (Draconic Aura maybe?) forward so you can start with DFI. ;)

DFI requires bardic music.  I can't get bardic music until level 7 unless I blow two feats on that cityscape skill boost, which lets me get it at 6.
Drat, you're right. Then how about Draconic Heritage or something to make the damage type on DFI cooler when it does come around? Looks pretty good other than that.
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Re: Heatfire Fanner + Mythic Exemplar.
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2009, 08:02:57 PM »
A problem I see is that the IC granted by Reikhardt is usable only once per day...
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Re: Heatfire Fanner + Mythic Exemplar.
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2009, 08:06:16 PM »
A problem I see is that the IC granted by Reikhardt is usable only once per day...
No problem. He then gains music as a normal Bard with HFF, causing the ME levels to stack instead of providing their own music.
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Re: Heatfire Fanner + Mythic Exemplar.
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2009, 08:22:59 PM »
Ah, I fell for the 'ole non-native-lost-in-translation-thingie and didn't see the correct wording.
I thought the HFF levels would stack with the ME levels when you used the ME ability, but it's the other way around. Well then :D

I can't help but think of Unfettered Heroism + Dragonmark Aura here, but that requires some shennanigans (only shennanigan-lite though) aswell as Eberron material. But there's no room for it here, not as far as I can see at least. Just pointing it out if someone can bodge it into the mix.

That's probably since I'm currently trapped in trying to find out what shennanigans one can do with Persisted Unfettered Heroism apart from our resident black hatters tier -1 TO build.

A bit partial for greater dragonmarks + unlock dragonmark at the moment, but I'll stop now before I get of topic.
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the most effective optimization is the one you can actually get away with.  :smirk

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(A group of nerds are called a murder because like crows we are anti-social, like shiny things, and often squack at each other over nothing for hours)

I often have to remind people not to underrate divination.  The ability to effectively metagame without actually metagaming beats the ability to set things on fire more times than not.
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Re: Heatfire Fanner + Mythic Exemplar.
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2009, 11:45:24 PM »
Also, since the DM's apparently allowing one flaw, consider moving one feat (Draconic Aura maybe?) forward so you can start with DFI. ;)

DFI requires bardic music.  I can't get bardic music until level 7 unless I blow two feats on that cityscape skill boost, which lets me get it at 6.
Drat, you're right. Then how about Draconic Heritage or something to make the damage type on DFI cooler when it does come around? Looks pretty good other than that.

I'm a heartfire fanner, and want to stay with the whole fire theme.

Heck if i could spare the feats, i woudl totally go for the Phoenix Belt + set yourself on fire for fast healing combo.

A heartfire fanner would *so* actually do that.

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Re: Heatfire Fanner + Mythic Exemplar.
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2009, 12:19:33 AM »
Maybe words of creation could be a good addition to this build?

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Re: Heatfire Fanner + Mythic Exemplar.
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2009, 05:00:55 PM »
Is there a way to get some Bard spells onto the Sorcerer list?

The classic way would be to snag 1 level of prestige bard.  Would it stack with heartfire fanner if you take it after?  I don't think so ...

Hmm.

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Re: Heatfire Fanner + Mythic Exemplar.
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2009, 05:20:27 PM »
Is there a way to get some Bard spells onto the Sorcerer list?

The classic way would be to snag 1 level of prestige bard.  Would it stack with heartfire fanner if you take it after?  I don't think so ...

Hmm.

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Hmn, wasn;t tehere a spell.  Spell sequence ror spell matrix or something that would let me cast spells into it and save them for later use as a single action... maybe I could *wand* Inspirational Boost and Harmonize into that?

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Re: Heatfire Fanner + Mythic Exemplar.
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2009, 05:21:42 PM »
Speaking of Wands, Silverbrow Human means you can take Dragonblood Sorcerer sub levels. This gets UMD onto your skill list. To keep it on the list, you could take Able Learner with the feat from the flaw we're allowed.
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Re: Heatfire Fanner + Mythic Exemplar.
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2009, 07:00:32 PM »
Speaking of Wands, Silverbrow Human means you can take Dragonblood Sorcerer sub levels. This gets UMD onto your skill list. To keep it on the list, you could take Able Learner with the feat from the flaw we're allowed.

Hmn, yeah that sounds like a plan.

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Re: Heatfire Fanner + Mythic Exemplar.
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2009, 10:00:56 PM »
Is there a way to get some Bard spells onto the Sorcerer list?

The classic way would be to snag 1 level of prestige bard.  Would it stack with heartfire fanner if you take it after?  I don't think so ...

Hmm.

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Hmn, wasn;t tehere a spell.  Spell sequence ror spell matrix or something that would let me cast spells into it and save them for later use as a single action... maybe I could *wand* Inspirational Boost and Harmonize into that?

Spell Matrix.  There is also my new favorite, "Arcane Staff" from Dragonlance, towers of high sorcery.

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Non-PC activities like out of combat healing should be left to wands and NPCs. It's not fun to play a walking wand of CLW. Likewise, being a combat wall is not a viable PC role. A Wall of Force could do that.

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Re: Heatfire Fanner + Mythic Exemplar.
« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2009, 09:48:48 AM »
eh, i'll eternal wand Inspirational boost, and try to get harmonize as a magic item.

Final build plan is Marshall3/Sorceror1/Mythic Exemplar10/Heartfire Fanner5/Evangelist1.

Can anyone suggest what sorcerer spells to get?