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Paladin Supermount Ideas
« on: December 15, 2009, 08:37:32 AM »
Hi Guys,

I need you to help me to build a supermount for a paladin 9 (My DM ruled no multiclass till Lvl 10  :fo ) so I want to get some nice supermount combination that stacks Special mount+Celestial Mount+Animal Companion, Unfortunatelly I started with
an Illumian as a Race (misundertanding the sigils rules, I was thinking that Aesh will give you bonus to attack and/or damage, then my DM told me too late that the sigils doesn't run that way.....yeah, yeah, 1st character I ever made... :lmao ), this is what I get:

Illumian Paladin 2
Sigils: Aesh, Hoon
Feat Lv1: Weapon Focus
   
STR:     16   
DEX:     14   
CON:       18-->22
INT:      10   
WIS:     14    
CHA:     15-->16


This what I thought will be my build progression:

Paladin    9 / Ranger 4 / Fighter 2 / Beast Master 1 / Wild Plains Outrider 3 / ???? 1

01 Pal 1                                                : Weapon Focus(Swords)
03 Pal 3                                                : Focus: Handle Animal
06 Pal 6 (Planar Paladin)                        : Mounted Combat,Celestial Mount(PP)
09 Pal 9                                                : Leadership
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------DM's House Rule
10 Pal 9\Ran1                                          : Traker (Ran)
11 Pal 9\Ran1\Fig1                                 : Ride-By Attack (Fig)
12 Pal 9\Ran1\Fig2                                 : Devoted Tracker,Spirited Charge (Fig)
13 Pal 9\Ran1\BM 1
14 Pal 9\Ran1\BM 1\WPO1
15 Pal 9\Ran1\BM 1\WPO2                         : Natural Bond
16 Pal 9\Ran1\BM 1\WPO3
17 Pal 9\Ran2\BM 1\WPO3
18 Pal 9\Ran3\BM 1\WPO3                           : Dragon Cohort
19 Pal 9\Ran4\BM 1\WPO3
20 Pal 9\Ran4\BM 1\WPO3\<open> 1

 - Any suggestion are welcome, specially in the progression order or if you have some other class ideas.

 - NEW: I got a special boots that allow me to Charge as standar action.

 - Any Idea for the last Class Leve?
 
 
Thanks is advance!!
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Re: Paladin Supermount Ideas
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2009, 12:38:16 PM »
Your build lacks the Leadership feat. The DMG has rules for treating your cohort as a special mount for +2 LA.
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Re: Paladin Supermount Ideas
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2009, 11:55:40 PM »
Your build lacks the Leadership feat. The DMG has rules for treating your cohort as a special mount for +2 LA.
Ok, I can put it on the Lvl 6 Feat.

How a can get the Draconic Language so I can get a Dragon cohort?

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Re: Paladin Supermount Ideas
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2009, 12:29:12 AM »
Your build lacks the Leadership feat. The DMG has rules for treating your cohort as a special mount for +2 LA.
Ok, I can put it on the Lvl 6 Feat.

How a can get the Draconic Language so I can get a Dragon cohort?
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Re: Paladin Supermount Ideas
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2009, 05:06:20 PM »
What are you riding before you get a dragon?  I like blink dogs.

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Re: Paladin Supermount Ideas
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2009, 04:19:07 AM »
What are you riding before you get a dragon?  I like blink dogs.
Technically nothing, I'm about to get Lvl 3  :lol but I've read about blink dogs they're amazing and i think my GM will not allow it  :debate .


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Re: Paladin Supermount Ideas
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2009, 04:44:18 AM »
What are you riding before you get a dragon?  I like blink dogs.

For the blinking? Or is there a way to get the d-door effect too? Oh, remember that he's medium; too large to ride a blink dog.

If you can get a way to share the blink effect, you're golden for flight when you have 65+ feet of airspace, at a speed of 715! (just 'discovered' this for myself tonight after reading through the blink dog description, and the descriptions for blink and d-door. I am in process of getting a blink dog familiar...)

See if you can get an Asperi (MMII, 25); 30' flight, telepathy (60') with anything that has an Intelligence score, Improved uncanny dodge, etc. Only 13 Str though.
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Re: Paladin Supermount Ideas
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2009, 06:38:16 PM »
What are you riding before you get a dragon?  I like blink dogs.

For the blinking? Or is there a way to get the d-door effect too? Oh, remember that he's medium; too large to ride a blink dog.

If you can get a way to share the blink effect, you're golden for flight when you have 65+ feet of airspace, at a speed of 715! (just 'discovered' this for myself tonight after reading through the blink dog description, and the descriptions for blink and d-door. I am in process of getting a blink dog familiar...)

See if you can get an Asperi (MMII, 25); 30' flight, telepathy (60') with anything that has an Intelligence score, Improved uncanny dodge, etc. Only 13 Str though.

Ring of blinking A&EG.  Do blink dongs specify they can't share their dimension door? the SRD entry says they cast it as the spell, which allows you to bring other people.

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Re: Paladin Supermount Ideas
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2009, 07:48:07 PM »
This SRD says that it's only the dog...
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Re: Paladin Supermount Ideas
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2009, 08:39:16 PM »
Ring of blinking A&EG.  Do blink dongs specify they can't share their dimension door? the SRD entry says they cast it as the spell, which allows you to bring other people.

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Re: Paladin Supermount Ideas
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2009, 08:53:59 PM »
Your build lacks the Leadership feat. The DMG has rules for treating your cohort as a special mount for +2 LA.

Surreal + Caelic talked about this, in the original Supermount thread.
I wonder what to make of this ??

4hd Warhorse
+2 LA
Leadership capped like: 6th level to (max) 4th level Cohort
and the Bonus +2hd

These numbers don't add up, but these are the numbers.

My guess is the Bonus Hd don't count on the Leadership.
But there's still a problem because,
2 hd + 2 LA fills Leadership OK, but the Warhorse is 4 HD.

There's no restriction on taking Leadership at 6th level with this.
But if you had to wait until 9th level, it fits with no problem.
4hd Warhorse + 2 LA = Cohort with no problems,
then you stick on the bonus hd.

Any ideas about this  ???

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Re: Paladin Supermount Ideas
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2009, 07:47:24 AM »
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Re: Paladin Supermount Ideas
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2009, 05:29:47 AM »
I got a Special Boots that giveme Charged Attack as standar action.

I've Modified the feats, please take a look and suggest what can I do for the last Class Level.

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Re: Paladin Supermount Ideas
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2009, 08:06:09 AM »
The relevant rules text for the cohort + special mount is on p.200 of the DMG, but it doesn't really clarify anything. Now, the smart thing is to not allow the cohort to gain the mount bonus hd, and I think the text even implies that they only gain the special abilities. I believe the intent of the text was to allow a rideable cohort to gain some mount benefits, not to make your existing mount gain cohort advancement.

The soft-hearted DM in me would let the mount bonus Str and NA stack up in addition to the special abilities, but I wouldn't allow the additional hd. If I were feeling particularly generous, I might allow the extra hd purely for the calculation of hit points and maybe hd related spells, but not for anything else and I would likely enforce that the creature really be a "mount" and not just a "cohort who happens to be a mount when convenient".
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Re: Paladin Supermount Ideas
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2009, 07:19:46 PM »
by the way Surreal, the Mango Index link pulls up nothing now (bummer).

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" ... it doesn't really clarify anything ... "
Yeah, that was my impression.
Considering the power inherent in the Cohort, having it (in all it's glory) restricted to just a Paladin's Mount, seem kinda reasonable.
WarHorse + Bonus hd isn't gonna give a Wizard nightmares.
The Mount wouldn't die as easily, and be a few more hd, and not much else.

Now if the slightly more expansive interpretation is happening,
the extra levels available in the "cohort" side of the calculation,
could be actual levels of classes, but only after it shows up.
Leadership says Race / Class , both singular. But that's only at the start.

WarHorse 4+2la and the bonus hd
and as leveling up, Fighter 1,
for a 9th level Pally.
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Re: Paladin Supermount Ideas
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2009, 08:32:55 PM »
I'd recommend starting as a Cleric, then going PrC Paladin 2 and taking Holy Mount.  That way you have all the same abilities you would have had, except you have a ton more casting, and now all other divine casting will increase your mount too (so a Fey Variant Divine Bard now progresses Animal Companion and Paladin Mount levels, as does Ranger).

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« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2009, 11:58:36 PM »
I'd recommend starting as a Cleric, then going PrC Paladin 2 and taking Holy Mount.  That way you have all the same abilities you would have had, except you have a ton more casting, and now all other divine casting will increase your mount too (so a Fey Variant Divine Bard now progresses Animal Companion and Paladin Mount levels, as does Ranger).

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Where was holy mount from?

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Re: Paladin Supermount Ideas
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2010, 12:31:03 AM »
Um, what are the ranger levels for? Just beastmaster alone seems to do it pretty fine.

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« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2010, 01:00:29 AM »
Where was holy mount from?

Dragon Mag, IIRC, but it's listed in Crystal Keep so you could check there.

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