Some thoughts on cheese...

[Vinom]

Summon the Mephit, bribe it, and convince it to make a simulacrum of you when it's unsummoned.

If only someone suggested that two posts before you.

[Negative Zero]

Summon the Mephit, bribe it, and convince it to make a simulacrum of you when it's unsummoned.

If only someone suggested that two posts before you.

Um, since when is "Traveling across the planes to find someone" the same thing as "Use a spell-like ability to create an ice clone of someone"?

[Bloody Initiate]

Summon the Mephit, bribe it, and convince it to make a simulacrum of you when it's unsummoned.

If only someone suggested that two posts before you.

Um, since when is "Traveling across the planes to find someone" the same thing as "Use a spell-like ability to create an ice clone of someone"?

With that in mind is there anything awful about having it make a simulacrum of itself and having that thing simulacrum the efreeti?

[Negative Zero]

The issue is that it can't stay within range of you long enough to use Simulacrum, no matter who the Sim is of. It couldn't make a Sim of itself for you, because by the time it finished, it would be back home.

[Vinom]

true though, a simulacrum version of a mirror mephit could make 2 simulacrum pazuzus or efreeties a day.

[Hand_of_Vecna]

Page 37 of the dmg details alternate rules for always getting the same creature with summon monst.er and summon natures ally.

[Sinfire Titan]

A spell-like ability takes the same amount of time to complete as the spell that it mimics (usually 1 standard action) unless otherwise stated. Spell-like abilities cannot be used to counterspell, nor can they be counterspelled. In all other ways, a spell-like ability functions just like a spell:

Simulacrum
Illusion (Shadow)
Level:    Sor/Wiz 7
Components:    V, S, M, XP
Casting Time:    12 hours

ok but: a 3rd level cleric could divine metamagic persistant sumon mirror mephit...
and at higher levels you can persistant it anyway and save a bunch of xp and gold!

PsiReform one of it's feats into Supernatural Transformation.

[Rebel7284]

PsiReform one of it's feats into Supernatural Transformation.

Beautiful

[Sinfire Titan]

PsiReform one of it's feats into Supernatural Transformation.

Beautiful

Yeah, then all you need to do is bind the little suckers or use Linked Power to manifest PsiReform while summoning the Mephit.


Screw the rules, I have moar rules.

[rubberduck]

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#spellLikeAbilities

A spell-like ability takes the same amount of time to complete as the spell that it mimics

yet: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/actionsincombat.htm

Use Special Ability

Using a special ability is usually a standard action

its usually a standard action because most spells are standard actions

[Tenebrous Apostate]

Note on Gating wieldding summons. The spell description of the "summon mirror mefit" spell states that the mefit summoned cannot simmon or otherwise conjure another creature but alas the "simulacrum" is an illusion so don't feel bad about it 

[Negative Zero]

PsyRef takes too long too. You have to get a Psi-Like Psychic Reformation or use a Bend Reality sort of ability to emulate it as a standard action.

[rubberduck]

Note on Gating wieldding summons. The spell description of the "summon mirror mefit" spell states that the mefit summoned cannot simmon or otherwise conjure another creature but alas the "simulacrum" is an illusion so don't feel bad about it 

i agree the mephit cant use his summon mephit ability but simulacrum does not summon or call anything... it creates an illusion same as tje silent image spell like

[KellKheraptis]

PsyRef takes too long too. You have to get a Psi-Like Psychic Reformation or use a Bend Reality sort of ability to emulate it as a standard action.

Note the method Sinfire mentioned for using PsyRef.  Linked Power means it goes off the round after the power he linked it to, with no XP cost I might add

[Vinom]

PsyRef takes too long too. You have to get a Psi-Like Psychic Reformation or use a Bend Reality sort of ability to emulate it as a standard action.

Note the method Sinfire mentioned for using PsyRef.  Linked Power means it goes off the round after the power he linked it to, with no XP cost I might add

so 1/3600th the casting time?

[KellKheraptis]

PsyRef takes too long too. You have to get a Psi-Like Psychic Reformation or use a Bend Reality sort of ability to emulate it as a standard action.

Note the method Sinfire mentioned for using PsyRef.  Linked Power means it goes off the round after the power he linked it to, with no XP cost I might add

so 1/3600th the casting time?

10 rounds to the minute, 10 minute casting time, so 1/100th the casting time, actually 1/50th since it doesn't go off the round you pay for it, but yeah, massive reduction   Works wonders on an StP Erudite.

[The_Mad_Linguist]

According to my dog-eared copy of the monster manual,

Using a spell-like ability is a standard action unless noted otherwise, and doing so while threatened provokes AoOs.

[Kal Zakath]

PsyRef takes too long too. You have to get a Psi-Like Psychic Reformation or use a Bend Reality sort of ability to emulate it as a standard action.

Note the method Sinfire mentioned for using PsyRef.  Linked Power means it goes off the round after the power he linked it to, with no XP cost I might add

Can you please explain why it wouldn't cost Xp? The linked power description states that it doesn't alter the spell in anyway, other then the method of its manifesting, so i reduces the casting time, but how does it reduce Xp or Gp costs?

[Havok4]

PsyRef takes too long too. You have to get a Psi-Like Psychic Reformation or use a Bend Reality sort of ability to emulate it as a standard action.

Note the method Sinfire mentioned for using PsyRef.  Linked Power means it goes off the round after the power he linked it to, with no XP cost I might add

Can you please explain why it wouldn't cost Xp? The linked power description states that it doesn't alter the spell in anyway, other then the method of its manifesting, so i reduces the casting time, but how does it reduce Xp or Gp costs?

You can read it so that you do not actually manifest the power, you just spend the pp to have its effect apply one round later to the same target, so you do not have to pay the xp components because you never actually manifest the power.

[CuddableKae]

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#spellLikeAbilities

A spell-like ability takes the same amount of time to complete as the spell that it mimics (usually 1 standard action) unless otherwise stated. Spell-like abilities cannot be used to counterspell, nor can they be counterspelled. In all other ways, a spell-like ability functions just like a spell:

yet: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/actionsincombat.htm

Use Special Ability

Using a special ability is usually a standard action, but whether it is a standard action, a full-round action, or not an action at all is defined by the ability.
Spell-Like Abilities

Using a spell-like ability works like casting a spell in that it requires concentration and provokes attacks of opportunity. Spell-like abilities can be disrupted. If your concentration is broken, the attempt to use the ability fails, but the attempt counts as if you had used the ability. The casting time of a spell-like ability is 1 standard action, unless the ability description notes otherwise.
Using a Spell-Like Ability on the Defensive

its usually a standard action because most spells are standard actions