Possible New Caster Break...

[KellKheraptis]

Hellbred have an evil exception.  They cast evil spells without adverse effects (ya know, like alignment change).  The act of casting tainted spells raises taint score.  Discuss, and cackle evilly.

[spoiler]The purpose is determining if Hellbred can use the Tainted Scholar without suffering the usual drawbacks of tainted spellcasting.[/spoiler]

[Anklebite]

or, yanno, corrupt spells.

[KellKheraptis]

or, yanno, corrupt spells.

Someone's thinking what I'm thinking I see...especially when you can do it as a Shadow spell at 200% reality >.>

[telehax]

It merely says you can cast them, not cast them without penalty.

[KellKheraptis]

It merely says you can cast them, not cast them without penalty.

There's a dozen ways to avoid ability damage from those anyhow.  It's the "screw my taint score going too high" aspect that fascinates me.

[telehax]

It just says you can cast them. It makes no mention of avoiding taint, or any sort of penalty for casting them.

Which makes sense.

[KellKheraptis]

It just says you can cast them. It makes no mention of avoiding taint, or any sort of penalty for casting them.

Which makes sense.

That's the point.  You don't take negative effects from evil shit.  So go use all the evil shit you want and watch the taint score go sky high.  Hell, combine with Necropolitan and really rape.  Saves you one of the (large number here) 20th level slots spent on Elemental Body.

[telehax]

It doesn't even say you don't get the negative effects. It just says you can cast them. I really don't see how you're interpreting it any other way.

[KellKheraptis]

It doesn't even say you don't get the negative effects. It just says you can cast them. I really don't see how you're interpreting it any other way.

The example spelled out involved a non-evil Hellbred not gaining negative levels from an unholy sword.  Give me a few and I'll dig it up and take a closer look...regardless being Necropolitan ignores the downside of Taint, and being Hellbred as a base just makes it easier to get telepathy.

[telehax]

It specifically stated not getting them from wielding evil items.

[RobbyPants]

It doesn't even say you don't get the negative effects. It just says you can cast them. I really don't see how you're interpreting it any other way.

The example spelled out involved a non-evil Hellbred not gaining negative levels from an unholy sword.  Give me a few and I'll dig it up and take a closer look...regardless being Necropolitan ignores the downside of Taint, and being Hellbred as a base just makes it easier to get telepathy.

However, if the rules don't say anything else, I thought the rule tends to trump things like tables and example texts.

I've noticed people will cite rule trumps when they want and ignore it when they don't.


Disclaimer: I don't have the book with Hellbred in it, so I'm not speaking from any specific experience; just pointing out that if the rule says something different than the example text, the rule trumps it.

[SorO_Lost]

Evil Exception says "Regardless of alignment or class restrictions, a hellbred can cast spells with the evil descriptor and never gains negative levels while welding evil magic items, such as unholy weapons or demon armor. This ability does not shield a hellbred from from losing access to class features if he violates a class's code of conduct. For example, using a +1 unholy longsword to slay orcs would not violate a hellbred paladin's code of conduct, though using the weapon to kill another paladin would."
Nowhere does it say you're immune to the effects of evil spells you or anyone else cast.

I always expected someone to half read it and claim something like

lol omg I'm awesome. Check this out guys
"a hellbred can cast spells with the evil descriptor and never gains negative levels while welding evil magic items"

Grab an unholy weapon and you're immune to negative levels. leet haxxors rolf rolf roflmao.

Pelor knows theres enough people running around on here that would if they ever stopped to actually read the books to find it rather than reading umm, whatever the 339 is calling it's self this days.

[KellKheraptis]

So not even being a devil spawn is enough...and being turn-fodder, I mean undead, sucks.  This begs the question : how to get the [Evil] subtype.  Don't outsiders gain this automatically?

[Agita]

This begs the question : how to get the [Evil] subtype.

It's called Ritual of Alignment.

[KellKheraptis]

This begs the question : how to get the [Evil] subtype.

It's called Ritual of Alignment.

Score.  Since Hellbred get screwed out of being outsiders too  , but that's only a feat away.  Thanks Agita.

[awaken DM golem]

I don't remember at this point who spotted the old TO board version of this.
Tainted Scholar gets the bonus feat based on amount of taint, but then you cure it (somehow).
Result = infinite feats at level 6.

I didn't participate in the discussion, nor did I get to look at the book, so consider this hear-say.
But this sound similar.

Otherworldly feat, or 1 or 2 PAOs, gets the Outsider part (usually).

[KellKheraptis]

I don't remember at this point who spotted the old TO board version of this.
Tainted Scholar gets the bonus feat based on amount of taint, but then you cure it (somehow).
Result = infinite feats at level 6.

I didn't participate in the discussion, nor did I get to look at the book, so consider this hear-say.
But this sound similar.

Otherworldly feat, or 1 or 2 PAOs, gets the Outsider part (usually).

Ooooo the Tainted Scholar is that different from the Tainted Sorcerer?  I didn't realize there was a two for the price of one deal here...*investigates*

[Brainpiercing]

I really don't think Taint needs to be broken any further... I mean... it's as bad as it gets. Infinite CL? Feats for free?

Noone in their right minds uses Taint, anyway.

[KellKheraptis]

I really don't think Taint needs to be broken any further... I mean... it's as bad as it gets. Infinite CL? Feats for free?

Noone in their right minds uses Taint, anyway.

Note my signature and the nature of this post, and posit the correct assumption to that final statement   I am FAR from being in my right mind, despite being left handed (technically ambidextrous, but most of us lefties are...)

[Agita]

I really don't think Taint needs to be broken any further... I mean... it's as bad as it gets. Infinite CL? Feats for free?

Noone in their right minds uses Taint, anyway.

I've been slacking on my Taint homework, how do you get infinite CL from it? All I really know is that Tainted Scholar lets a Wizard dump Int.