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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #840 on: June 09, 2010, 06:44:44 PM »
Yeah, we're doing that. Of course, level-appropriate would mean level 8 for you guys, which isn't that useful when you're already using the Wish economy. ;)

Actually, at this level that just lets me get a fanged ring, so it is useful. :D
Yeah, but couldn't you just Wish for a Fanged Ring, once Marlowe's deal is played out? (and any other items worth 15k or less that you want) What do those rings cost, anyway? Like 8k, right?

Basically... after the next "scene", you guys will have access to unlimited numbers of Wishes. So you can have as many magic items as you want that cost 15k gold or less.

Let's just get on with that, and maybe it will make more sense once it has been played out a bit.
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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #841 on: June 09, 2010, 06:57:56 PM »
If they have other functions, like letting you teleport short distances, etc, then they count against the limit.
So Umbral Awn, which gives me its legacy abilities, counts against the limit, but the generic magic dagger I'm carrying doesn't, correct?
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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #842 on: June 09, 2010, 07:19:55 PM »
Yeah, we're doing that. Of course, level-appropriate would mean level 8 for you guys, which isn't that useful when you're already using the Wish economy. ;)

Actually, at this level that just lets me get a fanged ring, so it is useful. :D
Yeah, but couldn't you just Wish for a Fanged Ring, once Marlowe's deal is played out? (and any other items worth 15k or less that you want) What do those rings cost, anyway? Like 8k, right?

Basically... after the next "scene", you guys will have access to unlimited numbers of Wishes. So you can have as many magic items as you want that cost 15k gold or less.

Let's just get on with that, and maybe it will make more sense once it has been played out a bit.

Ohhh, I see. I was assuming that we were starting out with like one wish to start.
... does this unlimited number of wishes include... the other uses? Like the inherent bonuses to ability scores? >_> <_<

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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #843 on: June 09, 2010, 07:21:18 PM »
Yeah, we're doing that. Of course, level-appropriate would mean level 8 for you guys, which isn't that useful when you're already using the Wish economy. ;)

Actually, at this level that just lets me get a fanged ring, so it is useful. :D
Yeah, but couldn't you just Wish for a Fanged Ring, once Marlowe's deal is played out? (and any other items worth 15k or less that you want) What do those rings cost, anyway? Like 8k, right?

Basically... after the next "scene", you guys will have access to unlimited numbers of Wishes. So you can have as many magic items as you want that cost 15k gold or less.

Let's just get on with that, and maybe it will make more sense once it has been played out a bit.

Ohhh, I see. I was assuming that we were starting out with like one wish to start.
... does this unlimited number of wishes include... the other uses? Like the inherent bonuses to ability scores? >_> <_<

THAT would be fucking fantastic.
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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #844 on: June 09, 2010, 07:22:33 PM »
Yeah, we're doing that. Of course, level-appropriate would mean level 8 for you guys, which isn't that useful when you're already using the Wish economy. ;)

Actually, at this level that just lets me get a fanged ring, so it is useful. :D
Yeah, but couldn't you just Wish for a Fanged Ring, once Marlowe's deal is played out? (and any other items worth 15k or less that you want) What do those rings cost, anyway? Like 8k, right?

Basically... after the next "scene", you guys will have access to unlimited numbers of Wishes. So you can have as many magic items as you want that cost 15k gold or less.

Let's just get on with that, and maybe it will make more sense once it has been played out a bit.

Ohhh, I see. I was assuming that we were starting out with like one wish to start.
... does this unlimited number of wishes include... the other uses? Like the inherent bonuses to ability scores? >_> <_<
We are. And using that wish to enter the wish economy. At least, as far as I understand it.
Also, make sure to review the Tome changes to Wish.
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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #845 on: June 09, 2010, 07:34:03 PM »
Ohhh, I see. I was assuming that we were starting out with like one wish to start.
... does this unlimited number of wishes include... the other uses? Like the inherent bonuses to ability scores? >_> <_<

THAT would be fucking fantastic.
Yes, it does. You can use them for anything that you want, within the Tome limits as Agita mentioned.
[spoiler]
A couple of water benders, a dike, a flaming arrow, and a few barrels of blasting jelly?

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...thanks
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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #846 on: June 09, 2010, 07:46:49 PM »
Whoops, forgot about that. Checking now.

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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #847 on: June 09, 2010, 07:52:40 PM »
So does my Handy Haversack Belt Pouch count as a constant item?

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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #848 on: June 10, 2010, 12:57:26 AM »
So does my Handy Haversack Belt Pouch count as a constant item?
Yeah, I think it would... unless I said otherwise somewhere...

You could always enchant it further, though. So it's not just a handy haversack belt pouch. Wishes can also be used to increase the value of existing items, up to the 15k limit.
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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #849 on: June 10, 2010, 01:46:33 AM »
So does my Handy Haversack Belt Pouch count as a constant item?
Yeah, I think it would... unless I said otherwise somewhere...

You could always enchant it further, though. So it's not just a handy haversack belt pouch. Wishes can also be used to increase the value of existing items, up to the 15k limit.

As long as it's a wish from the spell or through a magic item. Creatures with Wish-SLAs, like an Efreet, can't grant an enhancement to an existing item. Also, apparently you can't wish for an item with wish in it, according to those rules. The whole chain that would result in these wishes is fairly confusing to me, actually. But if you say it works, then I'll believe it. :)

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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #850 on: June 10, 2010, 01:51:19 AM »
So does my Handy Haversack Belt Pouch count as a constant item?
Yeah, I think it would... unless I said otherwise somewhere...

You could always enchant it further, though. So it's not just a handy haversack belt pouch. Wishes can also be used to increase the value of existing items, up to the 15k limit.

As long as it's a wish from the spell or through a magic item. Creatures with Wish-SLAs, like an Efreet, can't grant an enhancement to an existing item. Also, apparently you can't wish for an item with wish in it, according to those rules. The whole chain that would result in these wishes is fairly confusing to me, actually. But if you say it works, then I'll believe it. :)
Meh, what's the difference in 1) upgrading to a total value of 15k, and 2) wishing for an entirely new item that has the exact same properties as the old one, plus the new additional properties (total value less than 15k)?

Flavor. I like the flavor of being able to upgrade better, so we're going with that.



And the way they expect you to get "infinite" wishes is to call an efreet, and use the last of the three wishes he grants to call a second efreet for more wishes. That's technically not wishing for more wishes. You're just emulating Planar Binding. ;)

You guys could do that if you want, but I like the "flavor" of having a powerful benefactor just provide you with items/wishes/etc.
« Last Edit: June 10, 2010, 01:53:06 AM by PhaedrusXY »
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A couple of water benders, a dike, a flaming arrow, and a few barrels of blasting jelly?

Sounds like the makings of a gay porn film.
...thanks
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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #851 on: June 10, 2010, 01:57:56 AM »
That sounds fine by me.

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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #852 on: June 10, 2010, 06:39:43 PM »
Ohhh, I see. I was assuming that we were starting out with like one wish to start.
... does this unlimited number of wishes include... the other uses? Like the inherent bonuses to ability scores? >_> <_<

THAT would be fucking fantastic.
Yes, it does. You can use them for anything that you want, within the Tome limits as Agita mentioned.
Wow! I tremble to imagine what the opposition will look like after our Wish economy power jump. Things should be ... interesting.  :plotting

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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #853 on: June 10, 2010, 06:40:45 PM »
Ohhh, I see. I was assuming that we were starting out with like one wish to start.
... does this unlimited number of wishes include... the other uses? Like the inherent bonuses to ability scores? >_> <_<

THAT would be fucking fantastic.
Yes, it does. You can use them for anything that you want, within the Tome limits as Agita mentioned.
Wow! I tremble to imagine what the opposition will look like after our Wish economy power jump. Things should be ... interesting.  :plotting
Yeah well... it's not like it isn't warranted, given the stakes of what you're attempting. :D
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A couple of water benders, a dike, a flaming arrow, and a few barrels of blasting jelly?

Sounds like the makings of a gay porn film.
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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #854 on: June 11, 2010, 06:30:55 PM »
Going to be out of town for a couple of days again, guys. Have fun coming up with a strategy! :D

The imp is going to propose that he gives you access to infinite wishes and only request that you never bring the Lochnar forward in time after you retrieve it. He will want to magically seal this deal somehow, but I haven't thought about how to do that yet.

He will also tell you that even after you travel to the past, he or one of his allies will still fulfill your Wishes, and he'll make sure that they know of your bargain. He may give you something to take with you to show them/him, though. He'll also give you a way to summon them, but they will not aid in combat, and their response to a summons may not be immediate. So don't rely on them to pull you out of something that you need an immediate solution for. They're mainly going to function as a "store". :p
« Last Edit: June 11, 2010, 06:35:06 PM by PhaedrusXY »
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Sounds like the makings of a gay porn film.
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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #855 on: June 12, 2010, 05:22:35 PM »
The aboleth replies "Yes, it does. The portal is one-way, as I said. I guess... if you wanted to wait around for 650 years, you could try again... But if I were you, I'd be sure I was prepared before I stepped into that portal."
Who else reads that as "Let's get our wishes and then go level grinding"? :D
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« Reply #856 on: June 12, 2010, 06:01:29 PM »
Considering each and every one of our character is immortal in one way or another... Damn, it sure sounds like that.
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« Reply #857 on: June 12, 2010, 06:04:37 PM »
Considering each and every one of our character is immortal in one way or another... Damn, it sure sounds like that.
The only time limit I can think of is when Pun-Pun is done with his post-ascension power trip and starts actually looking at what people are doing.
For what it's worth, RJ isn't actually technically immortal (though she could be made undead), but given the default advancement rate we can probably get high enough in a week or two at most - and that's assuming we don't get bored after one or two days.
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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #858 on: June 12, 2010, 08:31:59 PM »
Let's say we take a bus (the portal) from point C to point A. The bus also has a stop at point B.

Point C leads to Point A.
Point B leads to Point A.

A<---B---C

You could take the bus to point A from either point B or point C, but point C is a lot farther away from where you are. Why go all the way to Point C if you can get on the bus at Point B and get to the same destination?

That's what I meant. Hopefully this is at least somewhat less confusing.

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« Reply #859 on: June 12, 2010, 08:42:51 PM »
Yeah, that makes more sense. In this case, point B is right after the portal's creation, right?

But wait. If the elves in Myth Drannor had possession of the Lochnar, they would have used that instead to rewrite the story of the attack. Which means that the demons are more likely to have it.
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