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VennDygrem

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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #340 on: January 19, 2010, 06:15:16 PM »
If it's uncontrolled, we might just end up fighting the thing again. I can't see any benefit to turning it undead unless it were a minion to replace the Weretiger- and even then I wouldn't want to hear the thing's voice again. :P

I understand the reservation. Again, those were just a couple ideas. If you can think of another way, please, feel free to suggest it.
As for the True Believer roll, I suppose 35 would be fitting. I'd still have to roll a 15 or higher just to meet such a DC, though.

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« Reply #341 on: January 19, 2010, 07:27:44 PM »
If it's uncontrolled, we might just end up fighting the thing again. I can't see any benefit to turning it undead unless it were a minion to replace the Weretiger- and even then I wouldn't want to hear the thing's voice again. :P

I understand the reservation. Again, those were just a couple ideas. If you can think of another way, please, feel free to suggest it.
As for the True Believer roll, I suppose 35 would be fitting. I'd still have to roll a 15 or higher just to meet such a DC, though.

It's called Talk to the Dead? I figured we had a Cleric in the party.  :p
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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #342 on: January 19, 2010, 07:38:13 PM »
It's called Talk to the Dead? I figured we had a Cleric in the party.  :p
Not really paying attention then, are you? :P
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« Reply #343 on: January 19, 2010, 07:40:25 PM »
It's called Talk to the Dead? I figured we had a Cleric in the party.  :p
Not really paying attention then, are you? :P

It's a necromancy spell. If we got someone who can make dead walk, I figured it's a fair bet he could have Speak with the Dead too.  :p
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« Reply #344 on: January 20, 2010, 06:00:49 AM »
I forgot were we assumed to have potions or something for healing between battles? Or did we all overlook that other than a few Healing Belts? I ask this in part because I think the Barghest last attack actually knocked out the Cloaker, but wasn't sure if I needed to beg someone for a hit from one of the aforementioned belts.

As for the Barghest, I was thinking of renaming him Mat Bob or Art, then spamming him with detect thoughts questions and torture until we're satisfied that we know everything useful he knew.

And for items, why don't we just teleport back to the city using the nifty new Enveloping Pit, and go shopping? I might be missing something about the wish economy. The entry in the Book of Gears seemed a little sparse. But can't we just assume entry into that tier of activity just by selling our old stuff with liberal application of Charm and Suggestion to get favorable deals?

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« Reply #345 on: January 20, 2010, 12:45:46 PM »
And for items, why don't we just teleport back to the city using the nifty new Enveloping Pit, and go shopping? I might be missing something about the wish economy. The entry in the Book of Gears seemed a little sparse. But can't we just assume entry into that tier of activity just by selling our old stuff with liberal application of Charm and Suggestion to get favorable deals?

If you guys want to enter the Wish economy, then you can. There are multiple ways to do so. The "generic" one assumes that you gain the ability to call an Efreet (or other wish-granting outsider) via Planar Binding and use one of the wishes it grants you to cast Planar Binding again and call another one. You use the other two wishes to do Wish for whatever items you want, as long as they cost less than 15,000 gp. Or if you want to be nice to the Efreet, you offer to use one of them to Wish for whatever he wants. You still get one "free" item per efreet, and you can "chain bind" as many as you want.

Now... we can do it that way, or we can do something more creative that still amounts to the same thing mechanically (you guys get as many items worth 15,000 gp or less as you want). The two alternative ideas I have are:

1) You get a "patron" that is powerful and basically gives you whatever you want, as long as it is below 15,000 gp per item. They'll worry about the details of providing the Wishes.

2) Door number 2... which I'd kind of like to keep a secret, unless you guys decide to go with it. Or figure it out yourselves before I mention it. ;)



I forgot were we assumed to have potions or something for healing between battles? Or did we all overlook that other than a few Healing Belts? I ask this in part because I think the Barghest last attack actually knocked out the Cloaker, but wasn't sure if I needed to beg someone for a hit from one of the aforementioned belts.
The cloaker is undead, and so healed by negative energy, and you have Black Sand down on your character sheet, which is free undead healing. It would have been funny if you'd forgot and tried to heal him, though.
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« Reply #346 on: January 20, 2010, 04:53:22 PM »
Honestly, not sure we can vote for door 2 without an idea of what it is. Though some people might leap before looking. :P

I'd prefer a patron over simply summoning an efreet constantly. You know, our version of "Q" or something. :D

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« Reply #347 on: January 20, 2010, 05:07:01 PM »
Honestly, not sure we can vote for door 2 without an idea of what it is. Though some people might leap before looking. :P

I'd prefer a patron over simply summoning an efreet constantly. You know, our version of "Q" or something. :D
Q is a great analogy for what I had in mind. The James Bond version... not the Star Trek one... :P

As for door 2... it isn't actually available yet, or at least not in an obvious way. It should be soon, though.
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« Reply #348 on: January 20, 2010, 05:07:59 PM »
Just please, keep him as Q, not as R.
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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #349 on: January 20, 2010, 05:12:25 PM »
Honestly, I hadn't thought of the Star Trek one. Man, I hope it's not like that one. :P

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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #350 on: January 20, 2010, 06:18:13 PM »
And for items, why don't we just teleport back to the city using the nifty new Enveloping Pit, and go shopping? I might be missing something about the wish economy. The entry in the Book of Gears seemed a little sparse. But can't we just assume entry into that tier of activity just by selling our old stuff with liberal application of Charm and Suggestion to get favorable deals?
Here is a post of Frank's I dug up a while back (from the Paizo message boards, I think...) about D&D economics and the rationale behind the "Wish economy". It is kind of long, but it is a fun read if you have time and are interested.

Edit: Ah hell, it looks like it is just an abridged version of what got put into their SRD, and which I'd already linked in the house rules thread. So I'm just going to delete it and leave this link instead.

The information about changes to the Wish spell itself are probably more informative from a practical standpoint. Combine these with the description of "chain-binding" efreet from my earlier post, and you can see how once you can summon an efreet (or other wish granter) and slap him around/bribe him/whatever, you can get as many magic items as you want, as long as they are worth 15,000 gp or less.

So basically, here is the abridged version of the rules of the "Wish economy":

1) Once you can gain access to even a single Wish, you can use that to gain more Wishes by using it to call something that can grant more wishes, and use one of those wishes to call another one of those wish-granters, etc.
2) You can wish for any magic item worth 15,000 gp or less (or non-magic item worth 25,000 gp or less) with no XP cost to the Wish granter (or person casting Wish).
3) So once you gain access to Wish at all, you can have as many items worth 15,000 gp or less as you want.
4) People don't sell magic items worth more than 15,000 gp for money, because if they actually have any magic items that are that powerful, they almost certainly know about the "Wish economy", and they can get all the money they want for free via wishes, but they can't get these more powerful items for free. So those are the items that actually have value to characters that have entered the Wish Economy.
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« Reply #351 on: January 20, 2010, 09:11:01 PM »
Also, don't forget the Turnip Economy and Gold Economy.  :p
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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #352 on: January 20, 2010, 09:27:38 PM »
ladder economy

salt economy

iron economy

shadow economy

polymorph economy

diplomatic economy

who the fuck needs money in dnd?

diploconomy gets that 15001gp item for free.


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24hrs later it dawn on me, this wasnt the off topic forum.. but the off topic thread, sorry..  :blush
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« Reply #353 on: January 22, 2010, 04:03:37 PM »
So how's the character upgrade going?


So for the Wish economy, that sounds like two definitely for it (Kuro and Venn), one neutral (Agita), and two undeclared (Boz and HoV). We should probably make a decision on that ASAP, since it impacts your ability to upgrade your characters (you don't want to waste time upgrading items and just have to do it again).

I'll just stop being so closed mouthed on what I called "Door number 2" earlier, so you can better evaluate your options. It would basically just be you guys leaving things for yourselves later, once you have time travel capabilities and access to the Wish economy on your own. So let's say you decide that you'd like a certain set of items. Once you have time travel capabilities (or even technically... now... assuming that you WILL get them at a later point in the game), you could just say that "after all this crap is over, I'm going to travel back in time and leave this stuff under that rock over there, at a time before now". Then you walk over, lift up the rock, and the stuff you wanted is under it. Later on, you'll have to either RP getting that stuff and leaving it under the rock, or we can just hand waive it and say you guys do it later "off screen", maybe even during a time after the campaign is over.

So going with the assumption that you will have access to the Wish economy later, and have a time travel method, and more free time to pimp slap efreets to get Wishes (or whatever), you could basically have whatever items you wanted, whenever you want them, as long as they're under 15000 gp value.



Let me know if you guys want to do either this or the "patron" thing, or neither.


And yeah... I know we're playing around with Paradox quite a bit here. I'm just getting started with that, don't worry. :P I also encourage you guys to "think outside the box" and try to (ab)use this kind of paradoxical craziness, also. I'll try to come up with ways to deal with it, without just disallowing it, if possible.
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« Reply #354 on: January 22, 2010, 04:19:19 PM »
Actually, I believe I said I preferred the patron idea.

And, my character should be done upgrading, with the sole exception of a New Item (tm).

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« Reply #355 on: January 22, 2010, 04:21:07 PM »
Actually, I believe I said I preferred the patron idea.
Yeah, but you didn't know anything at all about Plan B at that point, though. :P

Edit: I updated the Time Sphere in the first post of the rules thread at the top of the page. Mostly this was adding/rearranging high level abilities, but I also added a second one to the 1st level powers. It is a non-combat power, but it might be useful to you guys. ;)
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« Reply #356 on: January 22, 2010, 08:15:18 PM »
I think plan B is really cool. But I do have some reservations about entering the wish economy. Having all slots filled with 15K items seems like too much right now. And, most likely not having many changes would occur at levels thereafter, except for essentially random found items that are over 15K. I could live with that, but I think the structure of just having a few chosen items slightly above our level works better.

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« Reply #357 on: January 22, 2010, 10:02:10 PM »
Yeah, I don't really need too many items, especially below 15k. Plus, I already have 8 items, I can't wear any more than that. Everything else would have to be upgrades or have abilities that can be activated without attuning to the item.

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« Reply #358 on: January 23, 2010, 01:17:59 AM »
Ok, then. Let's just continue as we are. I sent you a couple of PMs also, HoV. If you go Expert in the Time Sphere, you get a bonus Fiend feat. I'm not sure that's optimal, but it would be easy to miss it. It's buried in one of the earlier Conduit class abilities.
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« Reply #359 on: January 24, 2010, 03:31:35 PM »
Apologies for not replying earlier (I was unexpectedly dragged about on a family trip to the fucking boondocks without internet access).

Frankly, I LOVE the plan B. We should, at the very least, consider RPing the first encounter or so with our paradox selves.

I wanted to go with the Wish economy because it`s a new thing to try. I`ve never played on a campaign with that option, y`see. :D
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