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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #240 on: January 14, 2010, 07:20:52 PM »
I'm not going with the stupid Rules Compendium ruling about defenders being flat-footed against invisible attackers. They're denied their Dex to AC, but not flat-footed. It is a subtle, but significant, difference. So you'd be able to get sneak attack on him, but not Iaijutsu Focus, for example.
I'm pretty sure the RC didn't change anything about defenders not being flat-footed vs. invisible attackers. The thing about 'may or may not be flat-footed' was because I wasn't sure if the barghest knows how many he is fighting exactly, and whether he is aware of Ris-Janna being around. From your post I assume that he is aware, and all sneaking up in the world won't help in getting me that +Dex damage. Fine with me, the time for subtlety is over.
Oh... I forgot about that. No, he doesn't know how many he is up against, you're right. His "radar" wasn't as good as your guys, and you killed it in the surprise round. :D
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Then I'll just say that she is at I15 so she can move adjacent to the barghest and attack (not the barghest - he's invisible, so she wouldn't get SA against him. Gonna spill some more dog bowels onto the ground). 'Kay? :D
EDIT: What's the empty square next to the worg?
My sloppiness. :P Nothing more. Go ahead and roll attacks, unless you change your mind based upon the above flat-footed stuff.
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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #241 on: January 14, 2010, 07:27:51 PM »
Also, I've got no idea on what the were-tiger's stats were anyway.
They were in HoV's character sheet. He had 50 hit points, AC 17 (15 from charging), and DR 10/silver. I thought he might actually survive due to the DR and the fact that I didn't get to activate the Dragonfire Inspiration bard, but they rolled pretty well. :P

So... now is a good time to re-evaluate my homebrew feats, since we've seen them in play. :D Here are the relevant ones that let these 3rd level fighters attack up to 4 times per round.

Fast as Lighting:
Requisites: Combat Experience class feature
Description: You can attack with blinding speed.
Benefits: As an immediate action, you can consume one of your daily uses of Combat Experience to perform a single attack at your highest attack bonus

Wolfpack Tactics [Combat]
Benefits: This combat feat scales with your base attack bonus.

    * BAB+0: If an ally is flanking an opponent you are in melee with, you are considered to be flanking that opponent also, and get all the normal benefits of flanking.
    * BAB+1: Once per round you make make an Attack of Opportunity on an opponent damaged by one of your allies.
    * BAB+6: If one of your allies is flanking an opponent, you are considered to be flanking that opponent also, even if you are using a ranged attack.
    * BAB +11: You may change your initiative order to act on the same initiative count as one of your allies. This free action must be taken after initiative checks are rolled, but before regular rounds begin. It lasts for the entire combat, or until you ready or delay your action, just as if you had initially rolled this initiative roll.
    * BAB +16: You may step in front of an attack directed at one of your allies that is within your reach as an immediate action. You take the damage from the attack instead of them, or if it is a non-damaging attack you are affected instead of them. Any resistances or immunities you have against the attack apply normally. This can work against rays, but not against area attacks.

Combat Alacrity!
You are able to use your combat training to attack multiple times, even while moving.
Prereq: Fighter level 1, Dex 13.
Benefit: Whenever using a standard action to make an attack, you can make two attacks instead. Those attacks follow normal rules just like they were made during full-attack action.


So they get two attacks with a standard action, then they all get an AoO if any of those hit, and then they can make another attack by burning an immediate action + one use of Combat Experience. Individually, these don't seem all that bad, but together obviously it is quite nasty, especially if you've got group buffs. Anyone think it is unfair (compared to the Tome rules, and other stuff we're using)? These guys are nasty if you jump into melee with them, but they go down pretty easy to area affects in general (unless protected somehow).

Hmmm, I think you're correct in that assessment. Though the ability to get extra attacks early on ALONE makes for a pretty hearty helping of damage. At least early on, it's easier to get more damage output off extra attacks, rather than huge modifiers. Combat Alacrity looks like it would be NASTY on a Spring Attack build...
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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #242 on: January 14, 2010, 07:38:09 PM »
Hmmm, I think you're correct in that assessment. Though the ability to get extra attacks early on ALONE makes for a pretty hearty helping of damage. At least early on, it's easier to get more damage output off extra attacks, rather than huge modifiers. Combat Alacrity looks like it would be NASTY on a Spring Attack build...
Later on, the Tome TWF feat is better for most builds, though. It's like Perfect TWF with no prereqs, and it actually gets better from there.  :P So Combat Alacrity is a great mook feat, and might be decent for a two-handed spring attacker or something, but I think those kinds of builds usually pale compared to others in terms of damage output, especially at the higher levels.

So you think the feats are ok, compared to the other stuff in this game? I think they are myself, but I wanted to get some feedback from you guys.

I doubt you'll run into any guys with this exact setup again, anyway. I want to try out different things. :D

I also misspoke when I said the goblins have longspears. The bards have longspears. The fighters have glaives.



Ok, I'll be going out of town for a couple of days starting tommorrow, and probably won't be able to post. Sorry to leave you guys on a bit of a cliffhanger. If you're attacking someone, go ahead and roll your stuff. I'll probably be able to get back on here tonight, but after that all bets are off till I get back.
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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #243 on: January 14, 2010, 07:43:02 PM »
...can you say OUCH?

Though, seriously, they're much more of a threat from their numbers rather than their individual powers. I know I wouldn't set them up against a party of equal ECL though...
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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #244 on: January 14, 2010, 07:53:52 PM »
Maybe I should be taking notes from this game for ideas on what to sic on my players over on MW. :P (Toned down, probably, as they're not as hardcore as this group.)
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« Reply #245 on: January 14, 2010, 07:57:45 PM »
Yomi definitely doesn't fit the hardcore label half as much, true.  :P
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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #246 on: January 14, 2010, 09:15:42 PM »
I'm almost sad that I don't get to attack this round. I want to punch through one of their faces. :D

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« Reply #247 on: January 14, 2010, 09:19:43 PM »
And on a new note! Raoul thinks he's in love.  :P
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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #248 on: January 14, 2010, 09:21:10 PM »
Ooh, I also forgot to move in that last turn. And since I don't provoke AoO's for moving into creatures' spaces, I think I should just move right in the middle of everything with my natural reach of 20 ft. :P

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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #249 on: January 15, 2010, 01:03:39 AM »
And on a new note! Raoul thinks he's in love.  :P

That was a pretty awesome line from RJ, right there. :D

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« Reply #250 on: January 15, 2010, 03:11:53 AM »
And on a new note! Raoul thinks he's in love.  :P

That was a pretty awesome line from RJ, right there. :D
Yes. Yes, it was. :D

Looks like we're not going on that trip after all. So I'll be around.
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« Reply #251 on: January 15, 2010, 04:27:00 AM »
And on a new note! Raoul thinks he's in love.  :P

That was a pretty awesome line from RJ, right there. :D
Yes. Yes, it was. :D

Looks like we're not going on that trip after all. So I'll be around.

Well that's too bad, for you at least. Chances to travel are usually good, even for a generally negative reason. It's good to experience the uncommon. I don't lament the chance for us to keep going with this, but to be honest if I had the chance to travel for a couple days I believe I would. :)

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« Reply #252 on: January 15, 2010, 10:30:22 AM »
The pissing contest line, or the murder line? :D

Note that enemies don't get flanking or higher ground bonuses agaisnt Ris-Janna thanks to Elusive Target. A 20 wouldn't hit her anyway, though. AC 25 for the win.
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« Reply #253 on: January 15, 2010, 12:17:43 PM »
Well that's too bad, for you at least. Chances to travel are usually good, even for a generally negative reason. It's good to experience the uncommon. I don't lament the chance for us to keep going with this, but to be honest if I had the chance to travel for a couple days I believe I would. :)
Eh, my wife is so fickle. She decided we should take a ski trip, then changed her mind and decided we should go see the Biltmore mansion, instead. Then after booking the hotel room, she changed her mind and decided she didn't have time to go. So she spent an hour arguing with Priceline on the phone to postpone the reservations till May or something. And then... she decided she wants to go skiing after all. So I think we're going skiing Sunday, unless she changes her mind again... which is probably quite likely.  :lol I'd much rather go skiing anyway, so I'm quite content with the way things are, but I don't really care much either way.

Note that enemies don't get flanking or higher ground bonuses agaisnt Ris-Janna thanks to Elusive Target. A 20 wouldn't hit her anyway, though. AC 25 for the win.
Sorry... hard to keep track of all your guys abilities and immunities. I'm sure I'll forget that again. :P
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« Reply #254 on: January 15, 2010, 01:58:38 PM »
Updated the map (now with special effects! :P ), and reposted initiative order. It's now the top of round 4. We'll add Xuusovic's actions in for round 3 when he makes them. The rest of you ahead and do whatever you're doing.
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« Reply #255 on: January 15, 2010, 02:05:50 PM »
Hmm. I think Ris-Janna will delay until whenever the barghest becomes visible again... so probably just after his turn, or just after Raoul if he decides to cast a Dispel. Don't know if anyone else has a way to make him visible. HoV mentioned some bag of flour tactics, though.
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« Reply #256 on: January 15, 2010, 03:19:55 PM »
Ok... I'm not 100% sure I'm doing reach correctly... I think if you have reach and you are attacking a creature that takes up more than one square, then you can choose which square that it occupies to target your attacks against. And if this square is far enough away, then it is in your threatened area and you can attack it with your reach weapon, even if the creature is adjacent.

The barghest threatens at 15 to 30 feet with its guisarme, and Cade's "back" is within that area. So I think it can legally target him with its guisarme. Does this sound correct to you guys?

If not, I'll have to redo the barghest's actions.
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« Reply #257 on: January 15, 2010, 03:29:19 PM »
I think so, yes.

On a different note: The Edge is only useful when you're on the giving side of a combat maneuver, correct?
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« Reply #258 on: January 15, 2010, 03:31:51 PM »
I think so, yes.

On a different note: The Edge is only useful when you're on the giving side of a combat maneuver, correct?
I'm not sure. You'd have to look through the rules to be sure, but I think that's mostly true.
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« Reply #259 on: January 15, 2010, 03:33:53 PM »
Looks like it. I knew I should have gotten that extra Masterwork item. :D
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