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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #1020 on: July 19, 2010, 12:20:04 PM »
Could you just give me a brief rundown of exactly what you're looking to do? If it's not too crazy, it should be ok... I mean... look at this game. :P
Honestly, since Feycraft is apparently useless to me (unless there's another one I don't know about), Hellforged just adds +1 to damage when I'm flanking someone. That's pretty much it.
Of course, I could get a Feycraft weapon and swap my Weapon Finesse feat out for something else, but then I'd miss out on the extra damage from Weapon Finesse when I reach BAB 11.  ...Can Wish duplicate a DCFS? :P
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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #1021 on: July 19, 2010, 12:44:00 PM »
Could you just give me a brief rundown of exactly what you're looking to do? If it's not too crazy, it should be ok... I mean... look at this game. :P
Honestly, since Feycraft is apparently useless to me (unless there's another one I don't know about), Hellforged just adds +1 to damage when I'm flanking someone. That's pretty much it.
Of course, I could get a Feycraft weapon and swap my Weapon Finesse feat out for something else, but then I'd miss out on the extra damage from Weapon Finesse when I reach BAB 11.  ...Can Wish duplicate a DCFS? :P
Ugh... please no DCFS. If you want to trade out a feat you took legitimately, that's fine. I just don't want a bunch of kobolds who traded out their pick proficiencies for Dragonwrought + Versatile Spellcaster, or something... Unless you guys want every NPC you run into from now on to also have used that... Actually... I don't want to do that much work... So no, no trading out racial feats and all that cheese.

And I didn't know that's what the abilities like Fey-crafted were called. Yeah, those are fine.
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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #1022 on: July 19, 2010, 01:24:50 PM »
Also, does anyone know how close we are to leveling up? I know that, in-game, not much time has passed and not that much has happened, besides, what, the stuff that happened in the city and in the cave? Just trying to gauge things so I can start planning ahead of time and not hold things up again.

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« Reply #1023 on: July 19, 2010, 01:37:09 PM »
Also, does anyone know how close we are to leveling up? I know that, in-game, not much time has passed and not that much has happened, besides, what, the stuff that happened in the city and in the cave? Just trying to gauge things so I can start planning ahead of time and not hold things up again.
You'll level up pretty soon... assuming you survive the next couple of encounters. :D I'd say you guys technically "defeated" the aboleth, anyway. I don't like the whole "XP for killing stuff" mechanic. So when you guys complete a few encounters/story legs through whatever means, I'll just give you a level. You last leveled up after the barghest+goblin fight, right? And since then you've encountered the tree guy (who basically defeated you...), the mucklestones "trees", and the aboleth. Right? And some other stuff that was basically just background, like the shadows, etc. So yeah, you're due for a level-up soon.
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« Reply #1024 on: July 19, 2010, 02:36:43 PM »
I think we were only "defeated" by the tree guy in that he seemed designed to be undefeatable, and to remind us that there are more powerful things in the world than us (as if pun-pun wasn't enough :P).

Anyway, so yeah. I think I'm all set on equipment. Honestly, there's not a ton of gear under 15k that is 'must-have.' More like, 'really nice to have but not completely necessary' :)

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« Reply #1025 on: July 19, 2010, 02:48:15 PM »
I think we were only "defeated" by the tree guy in that he seemed designed to be undefeatable, and to remind us that there are more powerful things in the world than us (as if pun-pun wasn't enough :P).
Nah, he was very defeatable. If HoV + Kuro had simply started nuking him back as soon as he appeared he'd have dropped fairly quickly, which is what I expected, actually. Action Economy > one guy nuking. :P He was of course pretty nasty, I admit. RJ's deciding to try and solo him when the rest of the party was in the middle of running away didn't help things much, either.  :D

I posted his stats didn't I? You can look yourself. He's of course quite hard for a land-bound melee guy (or even an archer... with his wind effects), but not so resistant to being nuked to death himself.

To tell the truth, I just threw him in there as a "random" encounter because I saw the class and wanted to try it out. :smirk I think it is actually fairly well balanced. He's of course quite good at nuking the crap out of stuff, he can fly and has some other decent defenses, and also some divination abilities, but that's it. He is very limited. He's just got most of the basics covered, but little in the way of utility, etc. As a PC, the class would be a bit of a one-trick pony if it weren't for the divination. It is a very easy NPC class to use, though, which was nice.
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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #1026 on: July 19, 2010, 02:59:51 PM »
Ah. Still, if I could have flown up to bash him, it would have still been a one-sided fight... but on the other side.  :smirk

I am aware that I am currently a bit of a one-trick pony myself, in combat at least. There are some nifty tricks available once I get higher-grade fighting styles, though- speaking of which, did you rule that Ability Focus would only affect each Fighting Style individually, despite all being delivered through the same means (punchings)? I seem to remember that, but it's not clear in my memory.

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« Reply #1027 on: July 19, 2010, 03:06:10 PM »
Ah. Still, if I could have flown up to bash him, it would have still been a one-sided fight... but on the other side.  :smirk

I am aware that I am currently a bit of a one-trick pony myself, in combat at least. There are some nifty tricks available once I get higher-grade fighting styles, though- speaking of which, did you rule that Ability Focus would only affect each Fighting Style individually, despite all being delivered through the same means (punchings)? I seem to remember that, but it's not clear in my memory.
What would you take Ability Focus on? It has to be applied to a specific ability, not a specific attack mechanism. I could see it applying to a whole specific fighting style, but not just to everything you deliver via your punches.

Ah hell... this is a FKN tome game... yeah, if you want to take Ability Focus (Monk Fighting Styles) for a +2 to all of the DCs from your fighting style attacks, be my guest. It's still not equal to taking a Tome Combat Feat.
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« Reply #1028 on: July 19, 2010, 04:07:40 PM »
Well,  I'm not sure that I will, but I'm trying to consider for the future, so that my fighting style abilities are harder to resist. Afterall, if we're tougher as a result of tome rules and wish economy, so will our enemies from here-on, right?
Just trying to think of my options.

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« Reply #1029 on: July 19, 2010, 04:16:46 PM »
I think we were only "defeated" by the tree guy in that he seemed designed to be undefeatable, and to remind us that there are more powerful things in the world than us (as if pun-pun wasn't enough :P).
Nah, he was very defeatable. If HoV + Kuro had simply started nuking him back as soon as he appeared he'd have dropped fairly quickly, which is what I expected, actually. Action Economy > one guy nuking. :P He was of course pretty nasty, I admit. RJ's deciding to try and solo him when the rest of the party was in the middle of running away didn't help things much, either.  :D

I posted his stats didn't I? You can look yourself. He's of course quite hard for a land-bound melee guy (or even an archer... with his wind effects), but not so resistant to being nuked to death himself.

To tell the truth, I just threw him in there as a "random" encounter because I saw the class and wanted to try it out. :smirk I think it is actually fairly well balanced. He's of course quite good at nuking the crap out of stuff, he can fly and has some other decent defenses, and also some divination abilities, but that's it. He is very limited. He's just got most of the basics covered, but little in the way of utility, etc. As a PC, the class would be a bit of a one-trick pony if it weren't for the divination. It is a very easy NPC class to use, though, which was nice.

Well, truth be told, I WAS hoping to disable the guy with Evard's before I started nuking, but once everyone started dropping I had to consider other options. (That, and I expected the bastard to have energy resistance up. Stupid bark.)
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« Reply #1030 on: July 19, 2010, 05:07:15 PM »
Could you just give me a brief rundown of exactly what you're looking to do? If it's not too crazy, it should be ok... I mean... look at this game. :P
Honestly, since Feycraft is apparently useless to me (unless there's another one I don't know about), Hellforged just adds +1 to damage when I'm flanking someone. That's pretty much it.
Of course, I could get a Feycraft weapon and swap my Weapon Finesse feat out for something else, but then I'd miss out on the extra damage from Weapon Finesse when I reach BAB 11.  ...Can Wish duplicate a DCFS? :P
Ugh... please no DCFS. If you want to trade out a feat you took legitimately, that's fine. I just don't want a bunch of kobolds who traded out their pick proficiencies for Dragonwrought + Versatile Spellcaster, or something... Unless you guys want every NPC you run into from now on to also have used that... Actually... I don't want to do that much work... So no, no trading out racial feats and all that cheese.

And I didn't know that's what the abilities like Fey-crafted were called. Yeah, those are fine.
That's not what I meant, no worries. I was unsure if I had taken Weapon Finesse at a level where I would have qualified for, say, Shadow Blade or Craven, so I thought about DCFS to bypass the whole "must have been able to qualify at the level he is swapping the feat". But come to think of it, my first level was in Rogue, so Craven should work (and would net me more damage than Weapon Finesse).
Right now, though, I'm on a netbook with only one USB hub some 300+ miles away from my regular computer, so I can't have internet and my books (on a USB stick) at the same time, so every time I post, I'm effectively AFB. :D
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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #1031 on: July 19, 2010, 05:21:43 PM »
I think the main problem with the tree guy was that he had the drop on us. If we came back all shiny, buffed, and coordinated, I think we would have reduced him to a shower of splinters in short order.

Anyway, so yeah. I think I'm all set on equipment. Honestly, there's not a ton of gear under 15k that is 'must-have.' More like, 'really nice to have but not completely necessary' :)

I've got a fairly long list of things I wouldn't want to do without:
A resistance item
Stat boosters for everything relevant
Belt of battle
Ring of Darkhidden
Third Eye: Dampening
Amulet of Fortune Prevailing
Mantle of Second Chances

It occurs to me that those last few are activated rather than continuous, oh my.  :blink

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« Reply #1032 on: July 19, 2010, 07:51:31 PM »
I think the main problem with the tree guy was that he had the drop on us. If we came back all shiny, buffed, and coordinated, I think we would have reduced him to a shower of splinters in short order.

Anyway, so yeah. I think I'm all set on equipment. Honestly, there's not a ton of gear under 15k that is 'must-have.' More like, 'really nice to have but not completely necessary' :)

I've got a fairly long list of things I wouldn't want to do without:
A resistance item
Stat boosters for everything relevant
Belt of battle
Ring of Darkhidden
Third Eye: Dampening
Amulet of Fortune Prevailing
Mantle of Second Chances

It occurs to me that those last few are activated rather than continuous, oh my.  :blink

What I meant was, there's not a lot of under-15k items for me, that I didn't already have. :)

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« Reply #1033 on: July 19, 2010, 11:21:51 PM »
OK, as far as updating the stats go, I'm done.

Shopping list under spoilers.

(And yes, I basically went down the list of magic items by price on the MIC and got the most interesting stuff. Probably some overlap there. Also, I had no clue how to handle the "vanilla" items like enhancement bonuses to attributes and whatnot...)

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Artificer's Monocle
Crystal Mask of Languages
Corsair's eyepatch
Blindfold of True Darkness
Goggles of Night
Sandals of Springing
Gwaeron's Boots
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Gauntlets of ghost fighting
Ring of Communication (6)
Ring of Feather Falling
Ring of Arming
Ring of Chameleon Power
Blindhelm
Cloak of Charisma and Resistance
Necklace of Adaptation
Belt of Priestly Might
Runestaff of Opening
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« Reply #1034 on: July 20, 2010, 11:14:43 AM »
OK, as far as updating the stats go, I'm done.

Shopping list under spoilers.

(And yes, I basically went down the list of magic items by price on the MIC and got the most interesting stuff. Probably some overlap there. Also, I had no clue how to handle the "vanilla" items like enhancement bonuses to attributes and whatnot...)
For enhancement bonuses to armor and weapons, we're not including those in the cost of Wishing for things, IIRC. You just get an enhancement bonus that scales with your level, and that bonus should be +3 right now, since it is rounded up.

For stat boosters, skill boosters, etc, just use the price of the cheapest one in the DMG. So an item that adds an enhancement bonus to your Int would cost 4,000 gp (the cost of a Headband of Intellect +2, the cheapest version in the DMG).

You can just add items together with no increase in cost for combining them, or for what slots they take up, etc.

I think everything on your list will count as an attuned item except your sword, which doesn't have a continuous effect IIRC. So you'll have to decide how to combine those items into the 8 you want to keep attuned most of the time, and which ones will instead just be sitting around in your Enveloping Pit (or whatever) till you need them.

And those Caduceus Bracers are for paladins. What are you going to do with them? Did you copy the wrong name down?

Also, don't forget that you can add +5 inherent bonuses to any (or all) your ability scores, if you want.
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« Reply #1035 on: July 20, 2010, 01:13:46 PM »
Y'know, that actually helps a lot more with planning than I expected. So let's see.

If I wanted, say, a +3 fullplate of (insert +3 ability here), it would count as having a price of 10k, right?

As for the Caduceus Bracers, I didn't actually read the full description. If it worked on any kind of healing, it could turn out to be useful...

I was actually even considering a Spare Hand, but I got no infusions to put in it. In fact, I couldn't find many useful belts for my character.
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« Reply #1036 on: July 20, 2010, 01:17:19 PM »
Bunko's is my main resource for equipping characters. :P
If I wanted, say, a +3 fullplate of (insert +3 ability here), it would count as having a price of 10k, right?
Just 9k. We're ignoring mundane costs, as far as Wish goes, also.
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« Reply #1037 on: July 20, 2010, 01:26:08 PM »
I was actually counting in the 1k from the ordinary enchantment. (I remember us ignoring mundane costs because that's how I got my shiny mithral breastplate in the first place.  :D)
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Re: Off-topic chatter
« Reply #1038 on: July 20, 2010, 04:00:06 PM »
I was actually counting in the 1k from the ordinary enchantment. (I remember us ignoring mundane costs because that's how I got my shiny mithral breastplate in the first place.  :D)
Nah, we're ignoring that now, too. For the purposes of Wish, at least.
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« Reply #1039 on: July 20, 2010, 04:29:07 PM »
I was actually even considering a Spare Hand, but I got no infusions to put in it. In fact, I couldn't find many useful belts for my character.
You say that as if you'll ever need anything aside from a Belt of Battle. :D

So, if we wish to apply an item template (such as Feycraft) to an extant item, does the template's extra cost count towards the item's cost or is it considered a mundane cost?
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