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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #80 on: October 19, 2010, 04:43:14 AM »
Greetings,

I believe I have discovered some untapped ground for swiftblade qualification.
Take a cleric with the time domain, use the domain spontaneity on the time domain.

This lets you qualify for swiftblade with cleric 5 (A level earlier than any other build that I have seen)
Unfortunately by the RAW, the caster level increase cannot be applied to the cleric unless we can convert it to arcane spellcasting.
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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #81 on: October 19, 2010, 06:19:42 AM »
I guess that's why nobody bothers with the cleric entry.

Do you really need to use domain spontaneity? Just never fill or use any of your other lvl 3 cleric spell slots, and you're good.

Also, this entry requires some sort of bonus feat at 1 (or flaws), not that it's a big deal.

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« Reply #82 on: October 19, 2010, 11:36:31 AM »
Could use it to get in, then progress a rapid-progression arcanecasting class you weren't qualifying for entry with. It dooesn't require you to advance the class you entered via, after all.
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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #83 on: October 19, 2010, 02:07:25 PM »
Greetings,

I believe I have discovered some untapped ground for swiftblade qualification.
Take a cleric with the time domain, use the domain spontaneity on the time domain.

This lets you qualify for swiftblade with cleric 5 (A level earlier than any other build that I have seen)
Unfortunately by the RAW, the caster level increase cannot be applied to the cleric unless we can convert it to arcane spellcasting.

Recently I was going to do a Cloistered Cleric/Swiftblade in a PBP game with the DM's permission.  But yeah, RAW it just doesn't work.

But considering using cleric for Entry then progressing another class.... I may have to give that some thought to see if there is anything really nice or viable in that vein.
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« Reply #84 on: October 19, 2010, 03:50:25 PM »
There a way to tack it into Beholder Mage for extra Shenanigans? :P
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A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #85 on: October 19, 2010, 11:24:21 PM »
Just an addendum to the bardic swiftblade : The standard Bard 7/Swiftblade 9/SC 1/Sac Ex 3 doesn't snag 9th level spells.  If you pick up a means of getting 3rd level slots and haste earlier, you can get in at Bard 6, which means only the 7th level of Swiftblade loses CL, giving 9/10 SC casting.  Kind of a pain in the ass getting all the feats (Dodge, Mobility, Planar Touchstone [Time domain], Sanctum Spell is the least intensive method), but doable at 6th with a human, and anything with flaws.  Will net you CL 17/BAB 16 assuming a build of Bard 6/Swiftblade 1-4/Sublime Chord 2/Swiftblade 5-9/Sacred Exorcist 3, or BAB 17 if you go with something like Abjurant Champion (though that loses a feat to Combat Casting).
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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #86 on: October 20, 2010, 12:34:25 AM »
Wha does Planar Touchstone [Time domain] do for the build? Bards already got haste on their spell list, so I don't see what is the need for the time domain.

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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #87 on: October 20, 2010, 12:58:53 AM »
Wha does Planar Touchstone [Time domain] do for the build? Bards already got haste on their spell list, so I don't see what is the need for the time domain.

Simply ensures it's also a known spell.  Several times that's been the main bitch with using early entry, someone will pipe up "waaah no x level spells known."  Which usually isn't a problem, but since it calls out a specific one, it is here.  Planar Touchstone, problem solved.  Realign it to Hero domain for Giant Size, Righteous Might, and Divine Power abuse once you get 3rd's naturally, and you get two for the price of one (early entry, and a nice add to spells known).  Make more sense now?
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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #88 on: October 20, 2010, 01:00:32 AM »
Much more, thanks also where do I find this delicious Hero Domain?...I have some ideas in mind that might be improved by that.

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« Reply #89 on: October 20, 2010, 01:03:12 AM »
Much more, thanks also where do I find this delicious Hero Domain?...I have some ideas in mind that might be improved by that.

Originally Oriental Adventures, though it might have been reprinted in either Complete Divine, Complete Champion, or the Spell Compendium.  Might also try Champions of Ruin/Valor just to be safe.  But OA is a guaranteed.
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« Reply #90 on: October 20, 2010, 01:04:39 AM »
Thanks again...this will be fun :smirk

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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #91 on: October 20, 2010, 02:04:22 AM »
Where is Planar Touchstone located?  And I presume Sanctum Spell is there to lower the spell level of haste, right?  Is there any other way to do a Bardic Swiftblade 9 with 9th level spells?  Preferably less feat intensive.
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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #92 on: October 20, 2010, 02:11:19 AM »
Where is Planar Touchstone located?  And I presume Sanctum Spell is there to lower the spell level of haste, right?  Is there any other way to do a Bardic Swiftblade 9 with 9th level spells?  Preferably less feat intensive.

Planar Handbook IIRC, because it's hard to cast anything other than your one 3rd level spell known, and only in your sanctum, and not that I'm aware of.
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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #93 on: October 20, 2010, 04:47:34 AM »
And which Planar Touchstone Site grants the Time Domain?
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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #94 on: October 20, 2010, 04:56:46 AM »
And which Planar Touchstone Site grants the Time Domain?

Catalogs of Enlightenment, granting the domain of your choice.  Reattune it to a different domain when you don't need it anymore.
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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #95 on: October 20, 2010, 05:01:57 AM »
Isn't it just the domain ability and not the spells?
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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #96 on: October 20, 2010, 05:10:31 AM »
The Higher Order ability is to cast one spell from the domain you've selected, so long as you can cast spells of that level (which, though I don't get how, I assume Sanctum Spell allows) and have a sufficient WIS score.
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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #97 on: October 20, 2010, 07:28:59 AM »
The Higher Order ability is to cast one spell from the domain you've selected, so long as you can cast spells of that level (which, though I don't get how, I assume Sanctum Spell allows) and have a sufficient WIS score.
The only class mentioned in the entire thing is Cleric, and it notes that you simply need sufficient Character Level to cast it, not levels in any particular class.  In that case, one perfectly reasonable reading says that you check your character level on the Cleric table and see if a like-leveled Cleric were able to cast the spell.  If yes, then you can cast it.  If not, then you can't.

I'm not sure if this has been errata'd or popped up in an FAQ.

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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #98 on: October 20, 2010, 01:41:42 PM »
It hasn't
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A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #99 on: October 20, 2010, 07:34:06 PM »
Was using the epic feat Blinding Speed to qualify mentioned?
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