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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #60 on: July 06, 2010, 04:04:11 PM »
Quarterstaffs are free and you can't have a masterwork quarterstaff and still abide by the Vow of Poverty.  I'd actually see if I could convince my DM that the daisho doesn't violate the vow as it is your inheritence and not something you bought or will give away (as giving it away violates the honor of your ancestors).  Bonus points if you convince him to let you upgrade the daisho without violating the vow, but I wouldn't count on it.
IIRC, there's actually a suggestion in the BoED that the DM should allow certain mundane items with VoP which are important to the concept, with the specific example being a samurai character's daisho.
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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #61 on: July 10, 2010, 08:24:26 AM »
Can a Swiftblade with Hide in Plain Sight hide using the concealment from Blurred Alacrity? (and essentially hide anywhere/anytime?)

If so, as an EX ability, does this also defeat True Seeing?

Yes and yes. Although I have heard arguments against the true seeing issue due to true seeing saying it defeats blur, but it is not blur so that is not really an issue.

Yeah, the SwiftBlade Concealment is not a Blur of Displacement effect.  It is of the Concealment types that True Seeing does NOT counter.

Still, remember that only works while you're Hasted. Grab a Persistent Haste to reserve spell slots, otherwise for OOC use this will burn through your spell slots like a Vampire.
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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #62 on: July 10, 2010, 03:14:04 PM »
Haste can't be persisted.  Not a fixed range.

That said, one Haste lasts you the entire combat and a Swiftblade doesn't even use an action to cast it (okay, they do, but it's a free action).  4 Hastes per day isn't that big a worry, especially since it's a good party-wide buff anyway.
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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #63 on: July 12, 2010, 06:27:04 PM »
Anything can be persisted with enough cheese  :P
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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #64 on: July 14, 2010, 06:45:02 PM »
Haste can't be persisted.  Not a fixed range.

That said, one Haste lasts you the entire combat and a Swiftblade doesn't even use an action to cast it (okay, they do, but it's a free action).  4 Hastes per day isn't that big a worry, especially since it's a good party-wide buff anyway.
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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #65 on: July 16, 2010, 08:10:29 PM »
I think you can persist Swift Haste, no?

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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #66 on: July 16, 2010, 08:14:57 PM »
I think you can persist Swift Haste, no?

True, but it's not Haste, technically. Won't work with Swiftblade RAW.
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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #67 on: July 21, 2010, 05:02:03 PM »
Quarterstaffs are free and you can't have a masterwork quarterstaff and still abide by the Vow of Poverty.  I'd actually see if I could convince my DM that the daisho doesn't violate the vow as it is your inheritence and not something you bought or will give away (as giving it away violates the honor of your ancestors).  Bonus points if you convince him to let you upgrade the daisho without violating the vow, but I wouldn't count on it.
IIRC, there's actually a suggestion in the BoED that the DM should allow certain mundane items with VoP which are important to the concept, with the specific example being a samurai character's daisho.
Where is this stated?  Can you provide a page reference?

I just scanned through both the feat and the varaint rule section.  I'm pretty sure you can only use a non-masterwork, non-enchanted simple weapon.  A quarterstaff is just the example given.

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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #68 on: September 11, 2010, 06:23:52 PM »
Here's a useful spell I hadn't seen mentioned: Sakkratar's Triple Strike. From the Lost Empires of Faerun book, page 33.

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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #69 on: September 12, 2010, 01:54:38 AM »
Here's a useful spell I hadn't seen mentioned: Sakkratar's Triple Strike. From the Lost Empires of Faerun book, page 33.

Sor/Wiz transmutation 5. standard action, 1 target/cl, 1 round duration. Grants two extra attacks with melee weapons on a full attack, and makes the weapons keen and flaming burst. Doesn't stack with speed, but the limitations of the spell are easily navigated around.

It's not terrible, but for a Swiftblade? I wouldn't cast this until I could trade my extra attack for an extra Standard Action.
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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #70 on: September 12, 2010, 02:06:29 AM »
Wizard 5/Incantatrix 3/Swiftblade 9/xxx full casting and BAB 3 with partial BAB in effect, and there's your persistent haste (along with every other buff you want) :P
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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #71 on: September 23, 2010, 11:04:19 PM »
I imagine you'd not even bother addressing Arcane Swordsage, seeing as it's rather silly in general, but Arcane SS 5 is a great entry. I'm pretty sure maneuver progression interaction results in you getting .5 initiator level from the no-progression levels of the PrC, while those levels  that do progress progress your spell/maneuver  stuff... Meaning you still get access to ninth level spells/maneuvers, at level 19.

Plus, y'know, have no trouble keeping that Haste active every fight, along with whatever other buffs you choose.

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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #72 on: September 24, 2010, 02:32:50 AM »
I imagine you'd not even bother addressing Arcane Swordsage, seeing as it's rather silly in general, but Arcane SS 5 is a great entry. I'm pretty sure maneuver progression interaction results in you getting .5 initiator level from the no-progression levels of the PrC, while those levels  that do progress progress your spell/maneuver stuff... Meaning you still get access to ninth level spells/maneuvers, at level 19.
Plus, y'know, have no trouble keeping that Haste active every fight, along with whatever other buffs you choose.

That would be a really nice entry. Let's consider an Arcane Swordsage 5 / Swiftblade 10 / Abjurant Champion 5.

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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #73 on: September 24, 2010, 03:04:57 AM »
I imagine you'd not even bother addressing Arcane Swordsage, seeing as it's rather silly in general, but Arcane SS 5 is a great entry. I'm pretty sure maneuver progression interaction results in you getting .5 initiator level from the no-progression levels of the PrC, while those levels  that do progress progress your spell/maneuver  stuff... Meaning you still get access to ninth level spells/maneuvers, at level 19.

Plus, y'know, have no trouble keeping that Haste active every fight, along with whatever other buffs you choose.

I think I have an arcane swordsage swiftblade build floating around somewhere in one of my threads that abuses a ToAL for all spells known and PsyRef Tat to swap maneuvers around to taste.  Oh, and he's a Kalashtar, so he can racially manifest any power at least once, and mental pinnacle more power points if he feels like being a psion.
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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #74 on: September 25, 2010, 07:32:17 AM »
Just wanted to make sure people know that the Ruathar prestige class grants martial weapon proficiency and can be taken at level 6.  Wizard 5/Ruathar 1/Swiftblade X means you don't need to worry about wasting a feat as a non-elf.

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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #75 on: September 25, 2010, 08:56:10 AM »
Assuming Arcane Swordsage is legal, can it actually enter Swiftblade because of Swiftblade's downright weird pre-requisites (using every 3rd-level spell slot to cast Haste the previous level)...?

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« Reply #76 on: September 25, 2010, 09:31:43 AM »
since the arcane swordsage doesn't actually have spell slots, i'd say no

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« Reply #77 on: September 25, 2010, 12:32:37 PM »
Alternatively, since it doesn't have any spell slots but can still cast haste, technically yes.
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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #78 on: October 02, 2010, 08:46:46 PM »
but you wouldn't be able to fulfill the requirement of spending the previous level using the 3rd level slots for ONLY haste.

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Re: The Swiftblade Handbook
« Reply #79 on: October 02, 2010, 08:49:28 PM »
Technically, he did use all his third level spell slots to cast Haste. All zero of them.