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Re: Min/Max some superheroes
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2009, 02:30:50 PM »
Let's see what I can think of...

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Re: Min/Max some superheroes
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2009, 05:25:54 PM »
Let's see what I can think of...
Wolverine: Elan Ardent 20 (emphasis on claw powers and p.p. recharge set up)

Feral Template would also fit well.

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Re: Min/Max some superheroes
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2009, 05:27:45 PM »
Let's see what I can think of...
Wolverine: Elan Ardent 20 (emphasis on claw powers and p.p. recharge set up)

Feral Template would also fit well.

Personally I always thought of Wolverine as a Mineral Warrior Feral Human :)

Still needs a way to get the longevity though...
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Re: Min/Max some superheroes
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2009, 05:33:42 PM »
Let's see what I can think of...
Wolverine: Elan Ardent 20 (emphasis on claw powers and p.p. recharge set up)

Feral Template would also fit well.

Personally I always thought of Wolverine as a Mineral Warrior Feral Human :)

Still needs a way to get the longevity though...
Be an elan instead of human. That also qualifies him for Rapid Strike, and the Cha penalty fits. ;)

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Re: Min/Max some superheroes
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2009, 05:34:55 PM »
Let's see what I can think of...
Wolverine: Elan Ardent 20 (emphasis on claw powers and p.p. recharge set up)

Feral Template would also fit well.

Personally I always thought of Wolverine as a Mineral Warrior Feral Human :)

Still needs a way to get the longevity though...
Be an elan instead of human. That also qualifies him for Rapid Strike, and the Cha penalty fits. ;)

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Yeah, but that would make Feral impossible unless there's a way to make Elan's Humanoids or Monstrous Humanoids and I just don't like to use Psionics or Soulmelds for a character like Wolverine :P

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Re: Min/Max some superheroes
« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2009, 05:41:07 PM »
Is regeneration fast healing? That and longevity could come from Ruathar from RotW. Extends age categories from 50%

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Re: Min/Max some superheroes
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2009, 05:53:24 PM »
The way I see it, Superman is a human paragon wizard 15+. Scorching Ray= heat vision, Overland flight= duh. Plus, he probably has a strength somewhere in the 50s or 60s. (I remember one of his early episodes he stopped a moving freght train with his bare hands. And then pushed it back up the mountain down which it had been rolling. After saving it from falling off a bridge by lifting it to the other side.)
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Re: Min/Max some superheroes
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2009, 06:09:31 PM »
I've personally always statted Wolverine out as a Razorclaw Shifter with the accelerated Healing Factor feats, Scout, Dread Commando, and Warshaper levels, myself.

As far as Superman is concerned... definitely not a Wizard. Same for Batman. Superman just has a few tricks up his sleeve. He can't do anywhere near the number of things that a Wizard 15 can. I'll agree that he probably has Str 60 though. Batman is not a Wizard pretty much for the same reason. Just because THE DnD meme is that Wizards are Batman doesn't mean the reverse is literally true.

Batman is a stealthy, cunning human with exceptional physical ability and training, and a strategic, planning mind. He represents the peak of human achievement, but there is nothing supernatural or magical about him. As such, he probably doesn't need to be anything more than a Fighter/Rogue with more wealth by level than normal. Somebody mentioned some feat that allows an Aristocrat to gain NPC WBL every month or something insane? There you go.
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Re: Min/Max some superheroes
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2009, 06:25:14 PM »
The way I see it, Superman is a human paragon wizard 15+. Scorching Ray= heat vision, Overland flight= duh. Plus, he probably has a strength somewhere in the 50s or 60s. (I remember one of his early episodes he stopped a moving freght train with his bare hands. And then pushed it back up the mountain down which it had been rolling. After saving it from falling off a bridge by lifting it to the other side.)

Str 60 is insubstantial for the sheer power of Superman. He basically focuses on Str and Con to the exclusion of all other stats. I.e why batman (sneaky casterish prepared) can beat him.

Someone has to double check my math but a locomotive (not the "train" just the thing out front) weighs 180 tons or so. 180 x 2000 lbs = 360,000 lbs. A strength score of 29 nets you a carry capacity (heavy load) of 930-1400 lbs. 360,000 / 1200 (average) = 300/4 (carry capacity) = 75 x 10 = Str Score

So Superman has a Str score of 779 for lifting a medium locomotive with no cars

Oh and don't get me started on the jump check for a leaping a tall building in a single bond.

That is kinda nuts, in fact that is frankly insane.
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Re: Min/Max some superheroes
« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2009, 06:57:59 PM »
I've personally always statted Wolverine out as a Razorclaw Shifter with the accelerated Healing Factor feats, Scout, Dread Commando, and Warshaper feats, myself.

As far as Superman is concerned... definitely not a Wizard. Same for Batman. Superman just has a few tricks up his sleeve. He can't do anywhere near the number of things that a Wizard 15 can. I'll agree that he probably has Str 60 though. Batman is not a Wizard pretty much for the same reason. Just because THE DnD meme is that Wizards are Batman doesn't mean the reverse is literally true.

Batman is a stealthy, cunning human with exceptional physical ability and training, and a strategic, planning mind. He represents the peak of human achievement, but there is nothing supernatural or magical about him. As such, he probably doesn't need to be anything more than a Fighter/Rogue with more wealth by level than normal. Somebody mentioned some feat that allows an Aristocrat to gain NPC WBL every month or something insane? There you go.

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Re: Min/Max some superheroes
« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2009, 07:03:04 PM »
Looking through Complete Adventurer Vigilante class is basically Batman nerfed for PCs

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Re: Min/Max some superheroes
« Reply #31 on: November 02, 2009, 07:19:44 PM »
Personally I always thought of Wolverine as a Mineral Warrior Feral Human :)

Still needs a way to get the longevity though...

The biggest problem with the stacking of those two templates (and they are very good) is that you end up throwing a huge int penalty on a character that is portrayed as extremely intelligent.

Yeah, but that would make Feral impossible unless there's a way to make Elan's Humanoids or Monstrous Humanoids and I just don't like to use Psionics or Soulmelds for a character like Wolverine :P

As I see it if you can set up a psionic battery recharge you can have a guy with regeneration 10 all day though which may beat anything else.

As far as Superman is concerned... definitely not a Wizard. Same for Batman. Superman just has a few tricks up his sleeve. He can't do anywhere near the number of things that a Wizard 15 can. I'll agree that he probably has Str 60 though. Batman is not a Wizard pretty much for the same reason. Just because THE DnD meme is that Wizards are Batman doesn't mean the reverse is literally true.

A nice class for Superman is ardent as it allows you to cherry pick his signature powers.

Looking through Complete Adventurer Vigilante class is basically Batman nerfed for PCs

You can do supremely better in most cases with a pure ascetic rogue build than use that terrible prc.

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Re: Min/Max some superheroes
« Reply #32 on: November 02, 2009, 07:54:26 PM »
What do you guys think of something like this, just threw it together and wish I had my books cause I'd add the vow of benefit/peace bonuses on top of him.

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HP: 224 (8d6+80+96)
AC: 49 (10 +10 dex +12 insight bonus +12 luck bonus +5 natural)
Speed: 90ft. & 90ft. fly (good maneuverability)
Attack: +41/+36 melee (4d6+30; touch attack; Eldritch Glaive)
Saves: Fort +22, Ref +22, Will +24
Resistance: Fire Resistance 10, Cold Resistance 10, Damage Reduction 10/Epic, Spell Resistance 48, and Fast Healing 20.
Abilities: Str 30, Dex 30, Con 30, Int 26 (+1 at 4th), Wis 26, Cha 27 (+1 at 8th)
Skills: Bluff +29, Craft (Writing) +29, Diplomacy +22, Disguise +31, Jump +31, Knowledge (Arcane) +29, Knowledge (the Planes) +29, Profession (Journalist) +25, Sense Motive +29, Spellcraft +31, and Use Magical Device +29.
Feats: Probably Vow of Peace/Poverty as well as Fly-By Attack.
Invocations: Fell Flight, Eldritch Glaive, Entropic Warding, See the Unseen, and Voracious Dispelling

The only distinction I made between this representation and Superman is the use of the Eldritch Glaive as it trumps an unarmed strike in everyway within this build.

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Re: Min/Max some superheroes
« Reply #33 on: November 02, 2009, 09:15:40 PM »
Not sure I see how Entropic Warding or Voracious Dispelling make sense.

I just attempted to make a unique creature out of Superman, myself. The Kryptonian Bruiser! It's meant to represent a generic superman-esque BSF with tricks. I think it works pretty well. Clark Kent might have a level or two of Expert thrown on top with higher Intelligence.
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Re: Min/Max some superheroes
« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2009, 11:23:33 AM »
Also, Squirrel Girl = Pun-pun The DM :P
Yeah, but no one cares about her. Stupid joke of a character.

Hmm, speaking of other characters...
The Juggernaut was stated out in a Wizard's contest. I don't know if the thread is still around...

As for Spiderman whom should be on the list of luminaries, a modified Vine of Brachiation to work on concrete would work, though it's fine as is if you stick to forested areas and save elves inside the enchanted forest of super high trees and clubhouses. But who wants to do that? Blindsense & Uncanny Dodge can play the part of Spider Sense. The rest is high ability stats that a simple Belt of Magnificence can cover. And if you want 4 arms, Lutes & Loots offers the Fang of Loth PrC.

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Re: Min/Max some superheroes
« Reply #35 on: November 03, 2009, 02:01:45 PM »
Not sure I see how Entropic Warding or Voracious Dispelling make sense.

They really don't but they were the only invocations add to his high defenses.

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« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2009, 11:42:54 PM »
Subscribed.... but ... Batman is a wizard by the way. I mean if you haven't read logicninja's treatise on it... we'll thats just criminal.
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Re: Min/Max some superheroes
« Reply #37 on: November 04, 2009, 12:42:39 AM »
Subscribed.... but ... Batman is a wizard by the way. I mean if you haven't read logicninja's treatise on it... we'll thats just criminal.

Artificer. Still. More. Fitting.

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Re: Min/Max some superheroes
« Reply #38 on: November 04, 2009, 01:02:53 AM »
 :rollseyes...

Batman isn't actually making that stuff. Its lucious fox as well as designers all over his billion dollar companies.
The idea that Batman is an artificer stems from a lack of basic understanding of the character.
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Not ironman.
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Re: Min/Max some superheroes
« Reply #39 on: November 04, 2009, 01:08:49 AM »
Subscribed.... but ... Batman is a wizard by the way. I mean if you haven't read logicninja's treatise on it... we'll thats just criminal.
I would argue that Batman and Oracle together are a wizard, but Batman by himself seems like an artificer.

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