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Re: Lvl 35 gestalt.
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2009, 06:33:44 PM »
Mind giving me here some Insight?

What's this Ability Rip thing that takes out immunity to Polymorph?

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Re: Lvl 35 gestalt.
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2009, 07:50:24 PM »
it's a spell that permanently removes an ability from a creature and gives a temporary replacement.  Remove your racial immunity to polymorph so you can abuse shapechange - though as a sharn you get three standard scions a round, so being anything else might be a but of a letdown.
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Re: Lvl 35 gestalt.
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2009, 08:25:00 PM »
Rather than start my own thread this seemed like a good palce to bring in ideas for my own gestalt game. Now the thing here is the idea of making a quad-stalt, and if that is even possible. Using things like the psionic sandwich on an Item Familiar to become a mind-rapin' intelligent weapon with one gestalt character, who took the Leadership feat, that is then taken up by the cohort which is also gestalt built. Now the question is would I be able to take advantage of both builds during my round, or no? Cause I'm seeing a stupid melee death character being my sor/psi puppet......  :smirk

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Re: Lvl 35 gestalt.
« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2009, 09:06:44 PM »
Time stop is not a valid spell for Quicken SLA, caps at sixth level spells. Dicefreaks edited the feat to advance up until 9th level spells at epic levels, but that hardly matters here.

my bad then.  the trick still works, just get Quicksilver motion from feats.

two moves and a standard (plus a standard from your familiar) are all you need, assuming you can craft an item of (greater) Harmonize.

Of just get a belt of battle and have an extra standard action.

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Re: Lvl 35 gestalt.
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2009, 02:27:39 AM »
Instead of psion 35, try psion 21/wilder 4/anarchic initiate 10. You get more powers known, more power points, and (with Practiced Manifester and a few boosters here and there (and factotum so you can ignore SR), you should be able to keep up well enough (especially since you can use epic psionics - identical to epic spellcasting - so just use lots of Psicraft DC reducers and you should be good).
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Re: Lvl 35 gestalt.
« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2009, 02:35:33 AM »
Instead of psion 35, try psion 21/wilder 4/anarchic initiate 10. You get more powers known, more power points, and (with Practiced Manifester and a few boosters here and there (and factotum so you can ignore SR), you should be able to keep up well enough (especially since you can use epic psionics - identical to epic spellcasting - so just use lots of Psicraft DC reducers and you should be good).

Unless his DM rules otherwise, you can only get PRC's on one side.

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Re: Lvl 35 gestalt.
« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2009, 02:52:15 AM »
Instead of psion 35, try psion 21/wilder 4/anarchic initiate 10. You get more powers known, more power points, and (with Practiced Manifester and a few boosters here and there (and factotum so you can ignore SR), you should be able to keep up well enough (especially since you can use epic psionics - identical to epic spellcasting - so just use lots of Psicraft DC reducers and you should be good).

Unless his DM rules otherwise, you can only get PRC's on one side.
Well, psion 35 just seems like a waste of class levels. Sure, you get the manifester level up there, but you don't gain any extra powers known, no additional power points, and you don't get epic psionics any better for more psion levels.
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Re: Lvl 35 gestalt.
« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2009, 03:59:57 AM »
Instead of psion 35, try psion 21/wilder 4/anarchic initiate 10. You get more powers known, more power points, and (with Practiced Manifester and a few boosters here and there (and factotum so you can ignore SR), you should be able to keep up well enough (especially since you can use epic psionics - identical to epic spellcasting - so just use lots of Psicraft DC reducers and you should be good).

Unless his DM rules otherwise, you can only get PRC's on one side.
Well, psion 35 just seems like a waste of class levels. Sure, you get the manifester level up there, but you don't gain any extra powers known, no additional power points, and you don't get epic psionics any better for more psion levels.

You get bonus epic feats.  Besides, you get enough goodies from the other side.  Isn't Factotum11/Wiz1/SwiftBlade9/CC1/Cru1/RKV7/Whatever5  enough for anyone? (Alas, I couldn't find away to get Divine Oracle 10 in there, unless I dump the wizard level, but that has problems all it's own)

Okay, practiced manifester and dump 3 levels of Psion for Racial HD/LA?  What race would be good?

Tiefling has good stat adjustments, and so does Drow (though LA +2 is so not worth it without buyoff)

Alternatively, human paragon for the +2 stat boost.

Oh, and this epic feat allows more action abuse:

Multispell [Epic]

Prerequisites
Quicken Spell, ability to cast 9th-level arcane or divine spells.

Benefit
You may cast one additional quickened spell in a round.

Special
You can gain this feat multiple times. Its effects stack.
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Re: Lvl 35 gestalt.
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2009, 05:08:43 AM »
Would the cunning brilliance ability be worth 19 levels in factotum, then just drop 3 levels of psion and finish rkv on the other side?

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Re: Lvl 35 gestalt.
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2009, 06:09:30 AM »
it's a spell that permanently removes an ability from a creature and gives a temporary replacement.  Remove your racial immunity to polymorph so you can abuse shapechange - though as a sharn you get three standard scions a round, so being anything else might be a but of a letdown.

Isn't there a class ability of like MoMF that lets you mix and match abilities from two forms?  So combine your racial 3 with a chronotyryn or something crazy, as a swiftblade windicator no less :D
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Re: Lvl 35 gestalt.
« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2009, 03:54:37 PM »
Im just wondering what the point of the rkv would be is the swift action for a turn attempt really worth seven levels?

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Re: Lvl 35 gestalt.
« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2009, 04:03:21 PM »
Im just wondering what the point of the rkv would be is the swift action for a turn attempt really worth seven levels?
Yes. For example, Quickened Spells are swift actions.
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Re: Lvl 35 gestalt.
« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2009, 04:52:15 PM »
Im just wondering what the point of the rkv would be is the swift action for a turn attempt really worth seven levels?
Yes. For example, Quickened Spells are swift actions.
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Re: Lvl 35 gestalt.
« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2009, 04:53:51 PM »
Im just wondering what the point of the rkv would be is the swift action for a turn attempt really worth seven levels?
Yes. For example, Quickened Spells are swift actions.
Multispell, Multispell and Multispell.
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Re: Lvl 35 gestalt.
« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2009, 04:56:14 PM »
Im just wondering what the point of the rkv would be is the swift action for a turn attempt really worth seven levels?
Yes. For example, Quickened Spells are swift actions.
Multispell, Multispell and Multispell.

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Re: Lvl 35 gestalt.
« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2009, 08:04:18 PM »


Sure, you can blow 3 epic feats on Automatic quicken and several more on Multi-spell.  but remeber, you only get 10, less if you take less than psion 35.

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Re: Lvl 35 gestalt.
« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2009, 09:03:13 PM »
Dragon disciple is actually a good class in epic since it gives you extra epic spell slots.

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Re: Lvl 35 gestalt.
« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2009, 11:10:21 PM »
Dragon disciple is actually a good class in epic since it gives you extra epic spell slots.

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Uhm, no it doesn't.  It gives bonus spells slots.  which can be over level 10 spell slots, but those are *still* not epic slots.

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Re: Lvl 35 gestalt.
« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2009, 11:58:34 PM »
But epic feats versus class levels. I'd much rather grab seven levels of Incantatrix or something.

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Re: Lvl 35 gestalt.
« Reply #39 on: October 31, 2009, 01:50:02 PM »
Instead of psion 35, try psion 21/wilder 4/anarchic initiate 10. You get more powers known, more power points, and (with Practiced Manifester and a few boosters here and there (and factotum so you can ignore SR), you should be able to keep up well enough (especially since you can use epic psionics - identical to epic spellcasting - so just use lots of Psicraft DC reducers and you should be good).

Unless his DM rules otherwise, you can only get PRC's on one side.
Well, psion 35 just seems like a waste of class levels. Sure, you get the manifester level up there, but you don't gain any extra powers known, no additional power points, and you don't get epic psionics any better for more psion levels.

Actually you DO get additional powers known. See the XPH page 33, the Powers section. Epic Psion is actually better than Epic Wizard for this reason, IMHO.
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